Sadly, this.

Allen, if you are sending any amount of money to Mike then I — well — I must complain about your payout structure.

He's despicable because people preying on the kindness of strangers are despicable. People like him are why honest people genuinely in need are less likely to get a helping hand from strangers.

He's taking a silly position in that we're not supposed to have a thread about a self admitted scamming poker degenerate because of "reasons"...

its not like theres any doubt as to his guilt in this spot just his "reasons" that people feel sympathy for this admitted degenerate lying deceitful scumbag.

I know a guy who's somewhat like borowitz tells a false sob story to get money usually from drunks outside of basketball/hockey home games. Spends it on drugs/alcohol usually.

Chainsaw's post is absurd, who cares about his pathetic reasons for stealing money from people to gamble. The gambling addiction is only part of his problem (it's his main problem obviously). The guy is so lazy and irresponsible that despite the fact that the is intelligent enough to get an engineering degree, he can't be bothered to hold down a job or even following the simple rules of his probation.

How does this logic work, exactly?

Getting an engineering degree just requires intelligence and no amount of responsibility and work?

You can once be hard-working earlier in life but later on become lazy. Intelligence tends to stick with you though.

Still not clear on what laziness has to do with spending days constantly scamming people at airports though?

Whatever else might be wrong with it, I really can't see how laziness enters into it? Pretty sure he "works" harder at what he does than most people ITT do at whatever they do for a living.

I think "driven" would be a better adjective than "lazy" for borovetz.

That being said, Allen, how can you stick up for this guy? It can't just be because he's a member of the tribe, right? Cause, if that's the case, wanna stake me and coach me for free?

I got sob stories too.

I can see the stories about MB, but other than being his friend, Allen really has no proven involvement in any of this. It sounds like a friend trying to help another friend.

I wonder if Mike berates the arresting officers like he does dealers. Because the officers can "respond"

One can hope, right?

I'm not sure Allen would say Mike is even a "friend". I stand by my original comment that the best thing for Mike is to quit gambling, and that's the only way anybody he's scammed has any chance of being paid back. I am supportive of Mike turning his life around. That being said, I cannot condone or support his actions in any way. He needs to make the decision to quit gambling, or his life will be another tragic story of someone smart that lost it all. So, I get being supportive of Mike if he is trying to change, but the "He can't even tell his side of the story here." comment by Allen leaves me wondering why he is still willing to stick up for him at all. Sometimes people help other people for the wrong reasons.

Scamming may be hard work, but taking the steps to get his life together is even harder work. He's still choosing the easier of the two options, which could be classified as lazy. Not sure it's the best way to describe him, I'd say he's just desperate.

I would never enable him by bailing him out.

IDK if its intelligence or laziness when it comes to addictions. Mike can turn his life around but you never know when that addiction comes creeping back and he ****s up again. I think addictions are just the brain misfiring and in Mike's case he's so caught up in this he can't change right now. He needs to take that first step for sure but some people posting on a forum aren't gonna convince him.

I think his most difficult problem is that he has a non-existent resume, criminal record, no money, and is 39-years-old. It would be daunting for him to start over in a non gambling/scamming career. I seem to remember him alluding to this in either his 2+2 posts or his podcast appearance.

That being said, he would probably make it as a salesman.

It's easy to abandon people like this. So I commend chainsaw and I hope this guy has some friends and gets some help.

At this time I agree with PP that he does not belong on 2P2.

I hope not Allen. Addicts are known to have different levels of rock bottom. It would seem to most of us, that Mike Borovetz might have degened it to the nth level, with no bottom low enough. Helping him, at this point, in any way is probably not really helping him. He needs to take resposnsibility for his own actions, and while admirable, it's not your responsibility to be his mentor.

He may not be capable of leading the life you live. He should quit gambling, and sell cars or houses or something. Sales, he could be good at, but we are talking a long ways away, right now ... right?

Just like some people should not drink, some people should not gamble.

I remember seeing your name on some bail stuff from the original thread. You have bailed him out in the past.

This needs so much more ❤️❤️❤️❤️

He doesn't need a "career". He needs a job. Go to work, get paid, go home, watch a movie, go to sleep, repeat. After a couple of years of clean living, then he can re-evaluate.

I'm not sure why so many people are comparing this to panhandling, where you are just asking for money, period.

This guy's whole shtick is based around false documents, promises to pay back, a highly intrusive approach, etc. etc. etc. It clearly rises to the level of fraud, imo anyway (and apparently the cops agree).

Maybe Mike can use his incarceration to work on his screenplay

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