If you bought in 5 times on lusardi a flight and busted, then paid for flight c and cashed why wouldn't you get reimbursed for all the tainted flights as well. Your system is penalizing a player for cashing later in the event.

I can only imagine. worst beat ever to have that shot ripped away. You and other non-scamming final 27 got the worst of all of this imo.

your right, after outlasting almost 4800 and having the prize of 372k in eyesite, than leaving without a dime is ridiculous! i am in this still also but i dont think the guy who had 10 mil would like your even chop. i have a touch over 3 mil and wouldnt mind seeing whoever has more chips than me get more, but theres no way that all will be happy no matter what the outcome. i dont beleive the bustouts have much hope, seeing how less than 1% of the chip total were counterfeits, maybe the crimminal knocked out 10 players or so and the people who kept getting knocked out probably never even played with the guy, if they give refunds dont you think this may happen more often? if someones in the main event why wouldnt they throw in a few chips to compromise the game so they and everyone else gets a refund?

Because they partnered with wpt and to keep their image as the best. Wpt will likely end it's partnership if there's a lot of bad press from the outcome.

There will be no just way to handle this going forward short of just allowing the tournament to finish as it should. There have been many legitimate comments that that is not even practical at this point since it is not fair due to the fact that some of the final 27 could not make it to a rescheduled finish and even if they could may incur undue/unfair expenses doing so.

You will never recover the money from the 423 people who have already been paid 450th thru 28th places. That's ~$900,000 that has already been paid out. There is still ~$1443M remaining in the prize pool for the top 27. No matter how you look at this, the remaining 27 deserve more than the prior 423 finishers and there is no other fair way to do this. The circumstances of this fiasco are terrible but as pointed out earlier, gambling is just that. No matter where the chips at the tables came from, in order to advance in the tournament, you had to make decisions associated with poker that require a great deal of skill and as always some luck in order to make it to the money. Again, if anyone that participated in the scam benefited from it they should be removed if still in play and prosecuted along with any others found to be participants in the cheating. I disagree that the Borgata should take a loss paying off everyone that did not cash when there is no direct proof of damages against any one individual.

Comes down to the fact that a Chop among the final 27 is probably the only fair way to finish this.

wouldn't even mind if borgata posted my entry fee to my card to be used in future tournaments .they lose nothing since we have to return to play

[QUOTE=frommagio;42175413] I think your missing this in the quote
To: <XXXXXX@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Press note

XXXX,

It was cancelled. Please review the Order on the website.

Lisa

XXXXX <XXXX@hotmail.com> 2/12/2014 6:42:56 PM >>>


What's the order say I can't find it? But she said it was cancelled. I'm pretty confident none of the 27 see more then 27thbplace money. Life's unfair sucks. I wish you would but how can borgata pay you guys when 33rd place may of been affected drastically gaming actually may tell borgata not to pay more then 27th place money.

There's to much butterfly effect in this lusardi had 500,000 chips that's 24 stacks not his. He busts a player player rebuys bust 5 players. Borgata failed with proper security, if they had the right security, and security doesn't actually watch poker cameras that might be the next thing is to actually have security watching poker games and looking for cheats

Security watches a very small amount of the action that is going on in the whole casino, they aren't going to watch poker tables.

As for Borgata lacking in security of the tourney, are there any other tourneys run in a different manner? With 100+ tables a day? Come on, everyone knew this or something like this would happen someday. There is complaining about the lousy dealers, lousy floors, and crappy handling of table changes and such at every big tourney I read about. Players don't care, all they see is the big prize. There isn't a casino that can all of a sudden increase business 10+ fold and handle it with it's own dealers. There's been lots of warnings of this situation on the horizon, no one cared.

For everyone who is saying ICM chop, I bet no one in the room deciding what to do has any idea what that is.

My bet is on even chop of the rest of the money left over between the 27. no one before gets any kind of cash, there reasons will be iffy and hard to defend, but it will be basically their easiest way out from under this rock.

IMHO

You guyz get yer buy ins back yet?

U don't know what an ICM chop is.

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Here is the link:

http://www.njdge.org/docs/Rulings/20...gatacancel.pdf

Basically it says
1 Borgata event was suspended on Januarey 17thbecause it was compromised
pending investigation.
2.on January 18th after investigation it was Canceled by the order of NJDGE.

their moving at GCG speed

If borgata does not want to repay the entry to all those who busted (which they easily could and should), then they should at least give each of the bustouts $1000 worth of comps.

Neither. I play poker in Fayetteville and he ratted our game out per the search warrant. It was in order to get off on some other charges.

Here is an argument for the 27. The statute allows the GC only to the power to "cease" the tournament, not null and void the results. "Cease" and "cancel" have different meanings. Even if a cancellation requires a return of the buyins, the GC is not authorized by statute to cancel the event.

So he has been ratting people out since 2012? Or after his recent arrest in NJ? Ratting people out in the poker scene or counterfeit dvd business? Give us some more information please.

Is your husband Johnny Le?

What info do you want. The search warrant that busted our game referred to Chris as a cI and to his previous game that he ran back in 2008. It also referred to whatever charges he picked up in June 2012. Chris has always been the shady kinda guy. But he is also VERY charismatic so he fools a lot people for a period of time.

they were 5k chips so 1 stack is 100k, so he only introduced 5 stacks into the game. there were about 97 million chips in the game. how does this equate to everyone getting a refund? this is like half a percent of all chips, i dont understand this logic.

When did this bust occur? Was it all poker related? State police or homeland security? Where people arrested? Any trials or pleas? In NC?

Borgata will probably make it right for the players. I do not think they want bad press since they just recently signed with WPT and they have the WPT championships coming up soon. I wonder how WPT feels about all of this.

I think if they are able to let the remaining players finish the tournament it would probably be best for their rep. Not sure if it is possible to get the players together. Maybe if they offer to pay all travel expenses and have it run over a weekend.

If they are not able to get the players together. ICM chop would be the most fair thing to do because it pays the player according to the chances they have to win the event. Still not the best outcome because all players had a legitimate chance to win a big amount at first place. Even though it may be a smaller chance for the small stacks. Thus, ICM would be the most rational chop if any chop is offered.

For all the players that participated and busted. They could probably offer comps that played in same flight as lusardi. Borgata could probably argue that anyone that may have played with him could benefit or be disadvantaged and say everyone played under the same conditions.

This thing may take a while to get resolved with all these new charges he is facing

Go back and reread. "Your" arguing against your own misinterpretation.

Could happen, but I doubt it. Much more likely then just giving everyone refunds.

The Borgata main event set a record for the # of buyins just days after this fiasco all went down. So I don't really think it affected their "image" at all.
Even if they didnt pay another dime, from the ME turn out, they know people are still going to play no matter what.

this opens up a bigger issue, let us say someone added 100k chips and built their stack to 200k and removed 100k away, how would you ever find out ? i think as someone suggested RFID is the way to go, there should be a master count of chips all the time for someone to monitor

i cashed in this event so i don't really care if i get the buy-in back or not but i can understand how others feel strongly about it, i thought it was worth to mention this hand to give an idea on how having him with fake chips could have helped alter this game one way or another.

It was Day 2 and we are close to the bubble, I got moved to his table and he had lot of chips, raised EP with KQ this guy and one other caller, the flop was Kx2r, i c-bet and he raised HUGE, at that time it did not make any sense, he did not re-raise pre so AK is out of question, if he flopped a set wouldn't he get more out of me by just calling in that harmless board ? but didn't want to risk that many chips close to the bubble so i let it go, our table broke after that hand and he said he had set of 2s, i believed him that time but he probably was trying to get rid of his fake chips by donking ? he could have had set but i am saying if he was trying to get rid of his chips and i had some balls to call i would have won lot of chips from him the same way if i have made the call with top pair but he got lucky on turn or river i could have lost lot of chips as well so either way him trying to play those fake chips did have an impact on the game all the way.