I wonder how they'll treat a poker cheat in the big house.

I reckon not too kindly ya hear.

Ha. Soon we'll be hearing how corrections officers in the rec room have stopped the tournament after discovering that someone had introduced counterfeit cigarettes into the game.

Sigh.

My point is not that I think I deserve a refund/freerole. I probably WAS knocked out on Day 1B without ever having the fake chips make a difference to my game. I don't know for sure who might have had their game influenced by those chips and/or if I ever came up against them.

But many people certainly did have their game influenced.

One thing is for sure, as the number of players was reduced, the probability of influence goes up.

We don't know and will probably never know who/when/how.

So you are asking "someone" to reward people who probably had their game influenced in a positive way and punish people who probably had their game influenced in a negative way because that is what's "fair".

Because the game was stopped at 27 remaining, you want to use that spot as the point to "adjust" things.

Not when the chips were introduced. Not when they began to have some real effect. Not when someones game was irretrievably altered. But when the game was stopped/cancelled because that's what's "fair".

The pain of the final 27 is hard to imagine. Anyone who plays these things dreams of going deep. And it is painfully unfair to snatch that away from them.

But fairness also applies to those not given the chance because of those fake chips whether because of bloated stacks, altered or uneven play or even that blind all-in move near the final break.


It's not about my buy-in. It is not about your potential payout.

The game was tainted.

End of story.

I love these whacked out conspiracies angling for their 500 bucks, lol.

They will give you something if they think it is good for business or they are required to.

but people like you are reason poker is still profitable. always an excuse why they cannot win or how unlucky they are.

How do you know how he plays how can you out him how he feels over the tournament. This has nothing to do with good play or bad play. And I don't know what you can't comprehend about borgata didn't do their job. That's where this all falls into place if borgata had proper security cameras maybe lusardi could of been caught sooner the tournament cancelled sooner. If they cancelled it with 900 people left they'd give all refunds. Borgata ignored signs and waited until final 27. Why do those 27 deserve more the 55th place man and 500 th place man ? You and jjou aren't very bright.

Every player entered a tournament where they know 90% of the field doesnt get paid. Only the cheaters gained ev with the fake chips, butterfly effect or not. Every other player that bought there chips, when they played a hand with a cheater, win or lose, was in a negative ev position. If the cheaters were caught before yje money bubble, the argument that everyone gets a refund is more plausible.


So when the cheater(s) is caught with the remaining 1% still playing, and removed from the tournament, how does every one else suddenly become a victim of the cheating?

Lets assume that every player an innocent victim. When choosing between these victims, you propose rewarding the 90% at the expense of the 10%. You propose criminalizing the 400 people who cashed already in an effort to claw back the buyins for the 90%. And them completely disportionately, you think the top 1% should forgo the top prize money for the benefit of the 90%.

All without making the 90% provide any proof that the cheaters had a direct material effect on their failure to cash. And then you want all the compensation to come from the casino, because of possible negligence, not from the cheaters themselves.

A friend of mine works for NV Gaming and I ran the story past her. In her opinion when the event is cancelled everyone gets a refund. As far as additional payouts and penalties, that is much more complicated and she couldn't comment without a lot more information.

I am talking to floor persons. As per their thinking based on what they thinks how NJDGE works, it will take 4 to 6 months before they come to conclusion.

full tilt new jersey style

That's what is expected. Shouldn't be any other way.

putting on my jjlou/ Jimmy Agassi hat

"She is probably just the sister of some crybaby loser just trying to get his $560 back!"

We would never give the Government a free pass, why should we give the Borgata one. Corners were cut at every turn in this event. I think we all agree that at some low level chips are added by cheaters in tournaments. The problem here was the magnitude of the cheating. I do agree when the gaming commission used the word cancelled it opened the door for refunds. That one word is very powerful.

I just used the term bustout but if you prefer "crybaby loser" that's cool.

This is encouraging.

He will probably be OK unless there are a lot of tournament poker players in the prison gangs. Property crimes are better regarded than child molesting.

Dude! Wait ... What?

mobile Phablet upload

wasn't there proof posted in this thread that someone pointed out funky chips to staff Before the call from Harrahs?

why does this point keep getting buried? Are co-conspirators ITT?

mobile Phablet upload

If you had a choice between two and ONLY these two scenarios, which do you think is more fair?

A) The top 27 players get the remaining money chopped up by ICM or chip count and the bustouts get nothing.

B) Top 27 players get 27th place prize money and the remaining money goes to the busted out players that didn't cash.

If those were the only two options?




PS I do not know this to be the case.........

A no doubt. As Long as all cheaters removed and paid back money given to Lusardi

Obviously A.

And If you are refunding money under B, I think the cashing players should get the same percentage of their buy ins returned as the non cashing players.

yeah, lets turn this into a popularity contest

This is a total joke. Everyone that busted busted. It doesn't matter if you ICM chop it up or play it out either way is the same EV wise. It doesn't matter that some people have fake chips or whatever. Plenty of people have cheated in tournaments and the tournament goes on whether or not it was affected by cheaters. If a player sees another players cards or angles in some way, then wins a huge pot those chips will be spewed off to another guy, thus affecting the entire tournament(butterfly effect in full force). This is the same concept. Anyone who cheated should be punished, the rest of the players should finish the tournament and everyone who busted, busted.

Obviously Borgata should do some sort of freeroll for anyone who played the tournament just for their own business interests to keep their players happy.

Well they ponied up the $500 bucks understanding they could win the tournament. I don't give a rats rear if they busted out on the 1st hand, they had no chance to win the tournament, there isn't going to be a winner.

agree here that A is better (to prevent unhealthy future precedent)

and if B, should be modified as jjjou said.

Well isn't that special.

Another boatload of poker money in the hands of useless, slow moving, uncaring bureaucrats.