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Old 07-27-2012, 08:21 PM   #256
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

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No.
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Old 07-27-2012, 09:16 PM   #257
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

My name is SrslySirius and I play at Seals With Clubs.
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Old 07-27-2012, 10:40 PM   #258
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what about all the ones that collapsed to worthlessness?
Worthless sounds pretty stable to me!
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Old 07-27-2012, 11:29 PM   #259
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If you want bitcoins fast then goto bitinstant.com and deposit $ into a bank or use moneygram in exchange for bitcoins. If you don't want to download the blockchain then use an ewallet at blockchain.info. Dwolla is the cheapest way to get bitcoins, but not the fastest. It is much easier overall to get money into and out of bitcoin than it is poker sites.
This is a good post and true.

The burden of knowledge is still on the consumer for the most part now, though, which is a problem.

The bolded is very true. I am able to move money around with zero hassle now that I have things set up. The chief challenge is to find people to play poker with in that environment; there are only so many early adapters.
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Old 07-28-2012, 01:37 PM   #260
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

It's not nearly as hard to get started as it was a year ago. Bitinstant.com you can deposit cash in any major bank and get bitcoins in an hour.

But yeah there is a large knowledge burden that most people will not overcome - more user-friendly services will keep popping up and the network will continue to grow.

Poker, sportsbetting, and micropayments are amazing use cases. How else can you send funds globally, fast, for essentially no fees, with no 3rd party middleman (bank, govt, or other corporation).
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:02 PM   #261
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Fist time with bitcons and sealswithclubs

I've been curious about bitcoins for awhile now, but never had a use for them until sealswithclubs came along. There's definitely a barrier to entry in actually getting the bitcoins, but once getting them into my wallet, everything else has been a breeze. Yesterday I went through the whole process and here's what I experienced.

1) I downloaded the bitcoin wallet http://bitcoin.org/ and installed. Took a few hours for it to download all the "blocks" or "transactions". This is required before you can recieve coins to your wallet.

2) I signed up for accounts at both mtgox.com. Thinking I needed both to get coins to my wallet. However, after going through the process, it turns out I really just need bitinstant.com. (see notes below) So in my wallet I created an address to recieve money from bitinstant.

3) I wen to bitinstant.com ... I used the "Cash Deposit -> Major Bank Branch" to-> "Bitcoin Address". And entered the address I created in my wallet.

4) I was then directed to another site which created a deposit ticket based on the bank I wanted to deposit at.

5) Drove to the bank on the slip, and deposited the exact amount of money required. Teller told me I could actually do this online. Since I have an account at that bank, I could have just signed into online banking and deposited the funds into the account number on the deposit ticket. Would have saved me a trip in the car.

6) Waited an hour or two, and finally got my email saying the transaction had completed.

7) Checked my bitcoin wallet - no biitcoins :-(

8) Waited longer and finally logged into chat on bitinstant.com to talk to a cs rep. Turns out there was a technical issue with a third party provider that actually sends the coins to my address (coinapult). And bitinstant was having to manually transfer the coins over, and there was currently a rather long queue of transactions ahead of me. For the record, this was a probably a fluke and from what I am told this should have taken only a few hours, but it is probably a result of this be fairly young technology. The cs reps at bitinstant were helpful and responsive (had a chat going in less than a minute). They were transparent in telling me exactly what the deal was and when I double checked with coinapult, the story checked out.

9) Went to bed, woke up... fired up my bitcoin wallet and yay! The transactions were there. But... boo! The transactions weren't confirmed yet and I could not actually use the coins yet. After googling... since this is a peer-to-peer service, I guess sometimes it may take some time for the peer-to peer network to approve a transaction. And more than one peer needs to approve it? Unsure of the technical stuff here...

10) Around 11am, the transactions were approved and available.

11) Logged into *******************, found my deposit "address". Cut and pasted that into my bitcoin wallet and transferred some of my coins to SealsWithClubs. This time the transfer was NEARLY INSTANT!

12) I had chips in my account in time to register the half hour 45/5 100 bonus tourney.

13) Shipped said tourney.

14) Busted the Hourly Free roll later

15) Decided to see what cashing out was like...

16) Created a request address for SealswithClubs in wallet, copy and pasted into "request bitcoin cash out" and hit submit.

17) I will update this thread when I actually get those funds in my wallet.

Note: Regarding the fluctuating value of bitcoins. While technically I don't need a mtgox.com account, due to the fluctuating value of btc, it might be better to convert them into dollars and keep them that way until I need to use them (as either bitcoins or as dollars) since the value of the dollar is more stable than btc. mtgox.com is used more as a trading account I guess? Once you have coins you can switch between bitcoin <-> dollars pretty easily using mtgox.com with a small .6% fee.

Also, you could probably cashout from SealswithClubs directly into your mtgox.com account without ever needing to deposit into you wallet. (from what I understand, however I have not actually tried the direct to mtgox deposit).
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:17 PM   #262
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+1 BTCSportsMatch.com and blockchain.info/wallet is a slick alternative to using local bitcoin client. Probably safer for computer novices too. Seals is decent if low volume but collision is a serious concern for any site like this. Bitzino.com working on provably fair casino games.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:17 PM   #263
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Collision = collusion.
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Old 07-31-2012, 02:46 PM   #264
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

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Seals is decent if low volume but collision is a serious concern for any site like this.
I had some sealswithclubs specific questions, but can't find a dedicated thread for them on 2+2.
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Old 07-31-2012, 03:45 PM   #265
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

2 hours later I got my cash out... not bad, only took a day to get coins, deposit, play and get a cashed out.

Still waiting for my Lock Poker wu cash out, 18 days so far :-/
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Old 07-31-2012, 10:24 PM   #266
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

mudstuffing, that's good info, but really detailed lol.

Without the error that Bitinstant made, correct me if I'm wrong, cliff's are: download Bitcoin client, deposit money into Bitinstant at a bank, wait for bitcoins to show up, send them to Seals and your chips are there immediately

Just want to clarify for anyone who sees a 17-step process and says "see bitcoins are so complicated zomg!!!" hehe.
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Old 07-31-2012, 11:14 PM   #267
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

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I had some sealswithclubs specific questions, but can't find a dedicated thread for them on 2+2.
I have played on Seals since it's inception (almost). I may be able to answer questions... maybe not.
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Old 08-01-2012, 06:37 AM   #268
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mudstuffing, that's good info, but really detailed lol.

Without the error that Bitinstant made, correct me if I'm wrong, cliff's are: download Bitcoin client, deposit money into Bitinstant at a bank, wait for bitcoins to show up, send them to Seals and your chips are there immediately

Just want to clarify for anyone who sees a 17-step process and says "see bitcoins are so complicated zomg!!!" hehe.
You do not even have to run your own wallet and wait for that long initial download:

1) create an account at mtgox.com to use as your online wallet and trading between bitcoins and usd

2) go to bitinstant.com - make cash deposit at local bank and have bitcoins sent to your mtgox wallet address. You can fund mtgox with USD to buy bitcoins directly there, but it takes a lot more time.

3) send coins from mtgox to seals for poker or btcsportsbet.com / btcsportsmatch.com to bet sports

4) send coins back to your mtgox account to sell and convert back to usd and withdraw usd.
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Old 08-01-2012, 07:03 AM   #269
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Re: Are Bitcoins the answer for US poker players?

bitcoins are fail, I see people and companies getting robbed all the time , games have no security

Play Merge or Revolution (intertops)

Keep low roll there, buy for 85 c on 2+2 and cashout just as fast @ 85 c

and cashout from tops in week or less without 2+2 help
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Old 08-01-2012, 08:58 AM   #270
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bitcoins are fail, I see people and companies getting robbed all the time , games have no security
Yeah, because no one ever had money taken or played super users using USD at major poker sites.
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