Barbara Enright refuses a chop to pay the bubble - Page 25 - Poker News

cltrich · 05-27-2012, 11:02 PM

Why is it such a shame that the 28th place player got nothing for all the time he put in, but not a big deal for the 29th place player? After all the tournament paid 27, not 28.

imabigdeal · 05-28-2012, 12:52 AM

I can see ppl advocating her right to refuse. But to say "good for her"? Like she's some kind of hero or full of courage? **** that

imabigdeal · 05-28-2012, 12:54 AM

Ya she showed a lot of courage by saying "no". Wtf is she rosa parks or something? Gimme a break. She was being a bitchy, crotchety old woman. That's all. There's nothing to compliment here

rakemeplz · 05-28-2012, 01:04 AM

'She was being a bitchy, crotchety old woman. That's all.'

evidence?

vinivici9586 · 05-28-2012, 01:10 AM

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Ya she showed a lot of courage by saying "no". Wtf is she rosa parks or something? Gimme a break. She was being a bitchy, crotchety old woman. That's all. There's nothing to compliment here

u seem mad

vinivici9586 · 05-28-2012, 01:13 AM

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Ironic that I just read this thread. I was in a tourney today, with 7 left and 6th paying 1.1k they wanted to have all 7 put in 100 so the bubble would get 600 (plus their 100 back). I had a decent stack and there were a few scared money nits so I obviously said no thanks. They didn't care about that but still did their own pool where if any of them bubble they get 500 (plus their 100 back) and if I bubble I get nothing. Now I didn't say anything but I probably should have because that's not fair at all. I have to risk 1.1k whereas they only have to risk 600. I'm not good at all the icm math and stuff but it seems like they have an unfair advantage. It was a situation where I had no chance to change it anyway (was in another country I was only non-local and didn't really speak the language all that well) but I'm wondering what kind of advantage they're gaining by doing this deal, if any at all. I ended up not bubbling so it didn't matter anyway but I just thought that if they didn't do the deal there would be a lot more super scared money I could exploit and that if I didn't agree it wasn't all that fair for them to lessen that for some players.

hope you took it down. timing down/bubble situation is a problem in online poker, so i cant imagine what it would be live, and in a foreign country.

they really never should allow bubble deals to begin with. it's not that much money, and it rewards people for being annoying angle shooters, and it seems like something that could get progressively and progressively worse and out of control

NickMPK · 05-28-2012, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by cltrich

Why is it such a shame that the 28th place player got nothing for all the time he put in, but not a big deal for the 29th place player? After all the tournament paid 27, not 28.

If you read the blog entry, everyone else was in favor of paying 29th place as well.

RFW3 · 05-28-2012, 01:58 AM

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If you read the blog entry, everyone else was in favor of paying 29th place as well.

In which case we now have to feel sorry for the one who finished 30th. Where is the line drawn if not right where the payouts were supposed to begin in the first place?

Charlotte FatMan · 05-29-2012, 10:25 AM

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So it seems right to me that sometimes I will want to pay the bubble and sometimes I won't. It will just depend on my stack size, the blind level, and the dynamics at my table. It has always seemed strange to me that most people come down on the side of "always pay the bubble" or "never accept chops". Both positions seem like the opposite of good poker thinking.

+1.

I really don't see how anyone on this thread can say they will ALWAYS do something and think it sounds any less ridiculous than the OP. If you disagree with the OP do it because he is a whiny jacknut who is dragging someone's name through the mud for no reason. He never gave a good explanation on why Enright should have taken the deal.

But those berating anyone for ever chopping or paying the bubble sound equally as ridiculous (insane blog posts that truly unveil the magnitude of the OP's ignorance, nonwithstanding)

I think in a $70 buy-in, there shouldn't be any hard and fast rules applied. The beauty about poker is its fluidity and that a person's fortunes can change at a moment's notice. Sometimes chopping or paying the bubble will benefit you.

I think the best rule to follow is to take the course of action that will best benefit you in that particular time. If you are likely to be the bubble, think about taking the bubble deal. If you are likely to finish 9th and a chop is proposed that will give you 3rd place money - think hard about taking it. Making deals that will benefit you the most is +ev.

Goodie · 05-29-2012, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by loveminuszero

This game breeds such extreme selfishness... which is why every day there's a new scandal, so many players just think "what serves me best and F everyone else"

Yeah, that's sorta the goal for every competitive endeavor. Not sure why that's a problem.

oofRome · 05-29-2012, 02:59 PM

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Yeah, that's sorta the goal for every competitive endeavor. Not sure why that's a problem.

game theory

vughtzuid · 05-29-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by KungPowNewf

Hi all!

I think that players bend the rules when playing always. Well at least at my local club and home games. People always chopping pots, running it 2,3,4 etc times. I know this was not a cash game but people are always out to bend the rules.

The way I see this is that players even if it is the majority of players wanted to chop up the pot b4 the money and give the bubble person a prize. I have no problem with this however there are rules and if just one person wants to "stick" to the rules then so be it no one can dispute that. So I have no problem with the objection to not paying the bubble person in this case, imo.

Peace......and GL to the bubble person in the future....KungPowNewf!

zachvac · 05-29-2012, 09:19 PM

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How did you do?

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Originally Posted by vinivici9586

hope you took it down. timing down/bubble situation is a problem in online poker, so i cant imagine what it would be live, and in a foreign country.

they really never should allow bubble deals to begin with. it's not that much money, and it rewards people for being annoying angle shooters, and it seems like something that could get progressively and progressively worse and out of control

Well I didn't bubble but didn't take it down either finished 5th. It was a small tourney so the bubble was already on the final table so timebanking wasn't a huge deal. But the fact that they were all negotiating in their language and I definitely heard the term "Americano" used in a pretty negative way a lot after I refused to pay the bubble, I was a bit uncomfortable, probably would have been +ev to just do it but w/e I didn't bubble so I feel like I made $100 and they definitely weren't colluding against each other in fact the way the bubble broke was guy called it off after opening with QJ I think it was getting decent odds and the shortstack had reshipped A6o.

It was just pretty annoying knowing that their icm decisions weren't the same as mine. I'm not good enough at tourney poker to figure out if that's actually the case and if/how much it negatively impacted me but the more I thought about it the more wrong it felt.

roy_miami · 05-29-2012, 11:27 PM

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I actually had almost the exact same thing happen to me in my first live tournament as an 18 year old. This was just bullying on the part of the majority and kudos to Barbara for standing up for herself, I know from experience it is extremely unpleasant having to do so, moreso if you are the only one.

Some guy actually got in my face outside the tourney floor and threatened to beat my ass if I didn't take the chop.

lol

roy_miami · 05-30-2012, 12:27 AM

If I'm ever in that situation I'll refuse at first then if I'm the last hold out I'll say ok I'll agree to give the bubble $170 if you give me $170 too.