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03-06-2008 , 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by GoodyTimes
Druff is straight. I agree unban him
Druff will be unbanned as soon as he completely disassociates himself from NWP and denounces their hateful tactics. All they are is a hate site masquerading under the claim of no censorship. So there is no misunderstanding in what I have said, anyone who is associated as a principle in a group (or website) that appears to have as its sole purpose that of damaging the reputation of others and from which they derive pleasure in doing this has no business being on Two Plus Two.

Again, if Druff is straight as you say, he can solve his banning from our site very quickly. Disassociate in all ways and fully from NWP.

MM
03-06-2008 , 01:18 AM
Hey NWP, not the newest post anymore. I guess with this guilt by association I'll be the next one banned for listening to your broadcast.
03-06-2008 , 01:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Druff will be unbanned as soon as he completely disassociates himself from NWP and denounces their hateful tactics. All they are is a hate site masquerading under the claim of no censorship. So there is no misunderstanding in what I have said, anyone who is associated as a principle in a group (or website) that appears to have as its sole purpose that of damaging the reputation of others and from which they derive pleasure in doing this has no business being on Two Plus Two.

Again, if Druff is straight as you say, he can solve his banning from our site very quickly. Disassociate in all ways and fully from NWP.

MM
obv nothing wrong with nwp
03-06-2008 , 01:19 AM
Are you really that ****ing stupid?

I really have to ask after that post.
03-06-2008 , 01:20 AM
Okay Malmuth, under your criteria, which I agree with, start banning 90% of the douche bags that post in BBV.

Everytime a legitimate poster post about a beat, your typical responses are nothing but hatred vial crap.

ie: Unbeliveable beat tonight...

responses.."you suck" "you're bad at poker" "you suck at poker"\
"you're not any good" etc.....

I hope you stand by your new criteria of posting...
03-06-2008 , 01:21 AM
I'll be back, gotta go commit some hate crimes.
03-06-2008 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
Druff will be unbanned as soon as he completely disassociates himself from NWP and denounces their hateful tactics. All they are is a hate site masquerading under the claim of no censorship. So there is no misunderstanding in what I have said, anyone who is associated as a principle in a group (or website) that appears to have as its sole purpose that of damaging the reputation of others and from which they derive pleasure in doing this has no business being on Two Plus Two.

Again, if Druff is straight as you say, he can solve his banning from our site very quickly. Disassociate in all ways and fully from NWP.

MM


MM tilting so hard right now.
03-06-2008 , 01:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OK-Poker
I'll be back, gotta go commit some hate crimes.
brb going to perezhilton.com
03-06-2008 , 01:30 AM
If Micon got cought ****ing a goat tonight, trust me you you could read all about it tomorrow on NWP

03-06-2008 , 01:32 AM
God it's so hard not to take NWPs side when you listen to their radio show. I didn't even know of NWP up until this thread. NWP ftw.
03-06-2008 , 01:34 AM
All them NWPers should be banned for life. Don't ever unban them boys.

Pure hate and slime on that site. I go there a lot but only because i get bored and like to see how haters and KKK people act.

The gov't needs to take action and bring that cesspool down.
03-06-2008 , 01:34 AM
why wasn't the fire department called when the fire started. I know when I see a fire I don't stop to look and thoroughly investigate like some but I also dont try to put out fire's with gasoline.
I have enjoyed all this controversy this community is consumed by
03-06-2008 , 01:35 AM
702 545 6972 NWP RADIO LIVE!!!!!!! WAITING ON YOUR CALL MASON
03-06-2008 , 01:43 AM
I can't stand the level of discourse on NWP forums - that's why I post here. But Mason is punishing good posters (well, at least one) for the racist/sexist/gay bashing morons that are allowed to express themselves on their site. From listening to their radio show, the hosts themselves don't promote this, and have actively been denouncing it. I hope you're listening to the broadcast Mason. These guys are making a lot of good points.
03-06-2008 , 01:46 AM
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Originally Posted by SoUnreal

Dan Druff getting banned is regrettable. Hopefully his ban isn't permanent. And if it is, he has more time to dedicate to grinding 100/200 limit holdem. 2p2 gets the worse end of the bargain, imo.
Not the 100/200 players.
03-06-2008 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by vegas1369
Mr. Malmuth, this post is top-top as far as ignorance goes. I can't believe someone with your intelligence would say something so ridiculous. Banning someone because they associate with people you don't like is basically like running your site like a dictatorship. You are banning people that have contributed very good and useful content to your site over something that was fueled by DS. So let me ask you, if you have felt that NWP is a hate site, and that people who post on there have no right to post on your site, why didn't you ban them years ago? Could you possibly be more of a hypocrite? Let's just get it out in the open, you are banning these people because your cash ticket has made a complete ass of himself, who keeps adding fuel to the fire, and you are tired of dealing with the situation. You have been running this site with no real controversy for many years now, and you have seriously dropped the ball in the face of adversity. Step back, and think about how you look right now sir. Maybe you will come to your senses and do the right thing.
Why would a neverwin poster even care if they couldn't post at 2p2? If Neverwin banned me I wouldn't care a lick.
03-06-2008 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerBob
Why would a neverwin poster even care if they couldn't post at 2p2? If Neverwin banned me I wouldn't care a lick.
Why would a neverwin poster get a neverwin account in the first place? You can't use logic when discussing such issues.

But honestly I think it just gives them something to complain about and unite them.
03-06-2008 , 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by StueyIvey
All them NWPers should be banned for life. Don't ever unban them boys.

Pure hate and slime on that site. I go there a lot but only because i get bored and like to see how haters and KKK people act.

The gov't needs to take action and bring that cesspool down.

You must be a fan of the patriot act.
03-06-2008 , 03:28 AM
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Originally Posted by sprfcta
That is very commendable.

Perhaps an apology to Annette might be in order, as well.
I never saw the thread in question. If I saw those derogatory remarks I would have complained in the mod forum and tried to get those remarks or threads removed. I prefer to have all posters and persons treated in a civil and professional manner on these forums.

I apologize to Annette if she has been treated that way on 2+2. I have chatted with her at the tables and corresponded with her on poker forums. I think she is a very, very strong player, an asset to the poker community and a very nice young woman. JMHO

Thank you,

Jim Kuhn
Catfish4u
03-06-2008 , 04:21 AM
Those threads were starting to get really bad but everyone was to busy laughing at Brandi, Pimp, David Skalanski and that dumb **** Micon to notice until Micon and Brandi took it to a whole new level of disgusting.

2+2 let the **** build up for so long that when they finally decided to clean it up they had to use some Industrial strength banning. Micon and Brandi defiantly had to go along with all the gimmick accounts from the slim balls at NWP. Didn't see what Druff and some of the others did to get banned so I'm not going to comment on that.

I have lurked at NWP a few times. The first time was when Chip Reese died and I was thoroughly disgusted with the place. I have also linked over there a couple of times from the Brandi threads just to see what kind of stupid **** Micon was up too. Never plan on going back.
03-06-2008 , 04:44 AM
This is clearly the superior Plan B. Good job Mason.

PairTheBoard
03-06-2008 , 04:50 AM
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Originally Posted by MicroBob
Regarding Druff....generally a good poster.
Really really really stupid ban.
Like incomprhensibly bad.

Some guy here on 2+2 is even using him in his avatar, right? As well as e-stalking him on the tables. So maybe it's inappropriate for him to start a thread asking "what's up with that?" when he could simply send a PM and/or contact Cake support about it.
But that is hardly ban-worthy. It's the type of thing that previously was allowed here all the time. So tell Dan that he shouldn't do that anymore because 2+2 is going to change the tone around here.

Druff is a smart guy who can play ball if you just tell him what the rules are.

Banning Druff over something like this is so ridiculously incorrect.

Druff was HUGE on the whole Absolute mess and analysis of the situation. We owe him some thanks for that one. This is a topic that Mason tried to get involved in too but, as far as I could see, Druff was actually extremely helpful in the analysis while it was still all trying to be figured out whereas Mason kind of entered the scene after the fact except that he did apparently tell AP to 'forget it' when they requested that all those threads about it be deleted.


Druff has also made some very good points in the thread about SillySal vs. Full Tilt supposedly'stealing' her money.

So he trolled PokerBob a little bit in a thread on here to get back at all the weird trolling Bob did to him on Cake. That is one mild error as far as I can tell.
give him a couple little 2+2 infraction points, tell him the tone is going to change around here beginning now, and move on.
He's too valuable to just throw him out like that.

I'm a little tired of some of these bans that Mason occasionally hands out when he's feeling grouchy and/or slightly bothered.
The bans that he gives were not given out by the mods OF that specific forum who have a much better idea of what goes on in and around their own forums.
Mason ends up banning the most mild of transgressors when he could just contact the mod of that forum and say "We need some new rules beginning now" without banning everyone who violated said rules BEFORE the change and when such stuff was still allowed.
great post microbob.

i want dan druff back. he's one of my favorite posters and probably the reason why i am here.
03-06-2008 , 05:00 AM
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Originally Posted by uter
i believe paul was banned.

2+2's position on having standards for quality is not inexplicable. it's the reason that when a 2+2 book hits the shelves u KNOW that it's probably worth a read, where u cannot say that about any other poker books without researching consensus opinion.
[e.g. nobody would have assumed that the Full Tilt strategy guide was anything but a dishrag until a bunch of ppl read it and said it was good; if it was published by 2+2, everyone probably would have assumed that without waiting to hear opinion.]

i think a lot of 2+2ers such as myself would not like to see this place degenerate into NWP and this, like it or not, is a necessary first step. [altho im guessing there are a ton of ppl who'd be happy to have 2+2 become NWP, which is sad]

Paul, however, should never have been banned. mason was looking to get rid of him, and this should never have been his mentality. when u have someone as great and intelligent as paul as a member of your site, you try and work out differences and establish compromise. u dont run him off the site cuz he's threatening your ego.
the paul phillips situation was the most disappointing thing i've ever seen on this site.
yes, i really want paul phillips back even nore so than dan druff. no offense druff.

when ego gets in the way it makes for foolish outcomes.

bring back paul.
03-06-2008 , 06:24 AM
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But we do not tolerate insults, and those whose purpose is to demean and attack others reputations for no other reason than that appears to be something they like to do are not welcome here.
But you just described NVG.
03-06-2008 , 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by corpseartist
Hey twoplustwo, you used to be cool, what happened to you man.
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