I would have asked WHY IS DOG HEAD???

Love the amount of low count posters popping up as usual.
Shouldn't you all be working on the Le Pen campaign.
You have to hand it to the creepy weirdo conman for mobilising his troops every time a thread starts.

Because I guess no one is particularly invested in convincing you of something. I don't understand why you have an expectation for people to do so. It seems like you've already drawn your own conclusions, and that's fine.

The reality is that in niche social groups, there is emergent ethical behavior. Online poker has many, and it has evolved over time - what is considering cheating, what is unethical - account sharing, multi-accounting, use of various tools; etc. From the outside, this might look byzantine, but that's because you won't understand the context.

If i waded into a community I wasn't familiar with, let's say Magic, LoL, the world of professional scrabble, the pro dance-dance revolution circuit (if such a thing exists), whatever - there's going to be a bunch of unwritten etiquette and morality rules that I won't understand and will probably seem minor and petty. But there's likely a very good reason why these rules have built up over time.

In online poker, serious amounts of real money are at risk. The community has thus developed over time the idea that certain things are ethically wrong. Pretending to play as someone else. Pretending to be an unknown player. And that's before getting into the complexities of vouching and backing, and thus the value of your reputation or word. There's often few legal repercussions for many of these transgressions, so the community may often over-compensate in vilifying (at times, too far) someone considered to have cheated.

Honestly, I can't remember the specifics of the Girah stuff and I don't particularly care to go through them again. You're welcome to, but just be mindful that you may lack the context in understanding why something is considered "wrong" within the online poker niche.

Not sure if it's smart to send people in here for posts like that. There's always the risk that other posters start using his real name and repeat the story which might get the topic back on the first page for google searches. That would make new extensive clean up efforts necessary.

If you just want to know the name of a company his actions hurt financially, ask pokerstrategy. That's all I am going to say, don't want to harm Haseeb.

Great post.

Haseeb Qureshi - scandal - scam - girah - chip dump - nude scrabble
got to give google a hand

There are many questions that usually remain unanswered.

Another example: Why would a random who just 'works in tech and knows Haseeb' have a recent account here and suddenly make his/her first post in a Haseeb-thread to contribute a I-don't-see-why-he's-a-bad-guy?-POV?

All strange mysteries we may never know the answer to...

I'd forgotten all about his £2,800 an hour BPD escort girlfriend. I wonder if she's still in the picture?

That's rude.

User name dog is head

Is it only me who feels his dog was abused in someway?

f. scott qureshi made a legit video series for DC. 'dogisheadsup' i believe it was called. can't knock the guy too hard for being a clown, but that's just me personally -- i wasn't invested in his dealings whatsoever.

I enjoyed his book


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It was jungleman and DIH basically cheating/scummy etc. Girah was some pawn if I recall correctly

Actually Girah (Jose Macedo) is the person who made the whole situation implode due to his carelessness and laggy internet while trying to scam his pupils/students. Girah definitely was by far the most bad-faith actor during that whole scandal.

What I remember from old thread how DIH always tried to be honest and sincere (I believe it was genuine) and every time some angle was discovered in it. That old fairytale about scorpion and frog...

Someone link the scrabble/escort stuff.

The thing that people forget about DIH is that it wasn't one isolated incident. Between his handling of the Girah situation, which itself can be broken down into a whole myriad of seemingly independent issues - recurring lies, unethical conduct, justifying his actions because he was "protecting" jungleman/Jose/[insert name here] - as well as the ashton bet and the hooker(?) and naked scrabble(?), he's constantly been a focal point for negative press.

I think that's what's happening here.

Regardless of the poker community's internal code of ethics, people on the outside are definitely going to want to at least see a victim. If you can't demonstrate that his actions hurt anybody, you're going to have an uphill battle convincing people that he did anything immoral.

All I've found so far is, he prioritized people close to him over the greater poker community, and lied and "managed" his public image within that community in a way that was calculated and dishonest, in the aftermath of someone close to him cheating some people out of money.

Maybe that's immoral, I guess? But again, it's a 2 out of 10.

Maybe it's a 10/10 to you guys, but to people on the "outside", it's nothing.

Nobody gives a **** what you or "people on the outside" think.

Oh yeah this does ring a huge bell actually, yes!

Indeed.

Thing is, Haseeb was one of "the inside" at the time, so him committing a "10/10 offence" speaks volumes about his general morals and ethics. It may be a 2/10 to people on the outside, but it was (or should have been) a much bigger deal to Haseeb at the time. And he still did it.

So even if you don't see the big deal about this particular issue, you should (if we give you credit for actually being a casual tech who happens to know Haseeb and happened to suddenly find this thread right after it was posted) consider if Haseeb will be more ethical in issues of his current "inside world" (or in the general world), than he was in his previous one.

I don't really agree that a person should continue to atone for minor transgressions committed 6 years ago when they were like 21, or that those events should continue to color how you feel about them. Young people do stupid things, time passes and people change.

He's in engineering now, he's among the best at what he does, he's committing a substantial portion of his income to philanthropy. In our field, self-interested behavior is generally aligned with moral behavior, so there aren't even many opportunities to transgress even if he was somehow still a liability (which I highly doubt).

committing a substantial portion of your income to philanthropy does not not make you a piece of ****. he came on to do an interview with joe ingram after he made headlines on yahoo about making 100k out of coding school. and when questioned about the girah scandal he was still the same manipulative haseeb that he's always been. he was subtly but frequently bending the truth to be ostensibly convincing in the idea that his role was minimal in the wrongdoing.

so after he gloated about donating money and trying to find himself after he'd been exiled from poker, he comes back and then *still* attempts to manipulate everyone.

nobody's disputing that he's not unintelligent or that he may not even be the best in engineering. however, he's definitely a manipulative piece of **** and he most likely will continue to be one for a very long time.

he doesn't have to be a liability in order to be manipulative.

For someone to "continue to atone" they'd have to have atoned in the first place.

Also - donating a portion of what you steal/scam isn't considered philanthropy.

also, his job is fraud detection. i was laughing at that.

Who says he's one of the best at what he does? Himself?