Well he's gone all quiet anyway, fos obv

Sounds like you are seeking help with your own morals. You have to do what you think is right.

This site decided not to accept any advertising and suggested to the affiliates that purchase banners, that they not include UP/AP in their banners.

I know that in my affiliate business, I drop any site that I don't have full confidence in. If I cant recommend it to a friend, I am not going to recommend it to a customer.

When I propped at AP in 2003/2004 we actually had to have an account for every 4000 hands/wk we played. We also had to have a different city for each account. This gave the appearance that there were more players than there really were. I had 4 prop accounts at AP during that time. That rule was dropped years ago though but I would guess old props can still play on multiple accounts.

If a site is known for cheating, lying to and stealing from their players, doesn't it occur to you that there will be at least an above average chance that they'll steal from their affiliates, as well?
Why would you want to do any kind of business with these people?
This isn't even a difficult decision.

We removed AP and UB from our websites as soon as the scandal broke, and haven't put them back, and we never will.

Your visitors will actually appreciate it, because it shows you care about them. It also gives you the position to report on all these scandals without people questioning your integrity.

I've seen a lot of other portals putting back AP and UB banners, and when their users questioned their motives, they came with some story about that they believe that they cleaned out the bad elements, and that they are now walking a straight line, and can fully be trusted.
These things make me sick to my stomach.
At least they should be honest about it and say that they just pay a lot of money, and they don't care about if they steal from their players, just as long as they get paid their share for bringing them more victims.

Do yourself and your players a favor, and just remove them from your site, and don't look back.
It will actually give you a lot of credibility, which you can waste on sending players to other sites of your choosing.

I have not heard of another prop deal that worked anything like that. That is a pretty wild setup. Were they paying hourly or per hand then?

I just noticed UB launched it's UBOC's, they used to do it beg of every year, now all of a sudden they throwing a summer Championship series, good stuff lol lol lol

We got paid per hand based on the limit we played. At the time their software was incapable of reporting rake per player so rakeback for non prop players was whatever the % was then x $.09/hand regardless of the limit you played. I knew of several people that would 4 table $.02/$.04 6 max to scam that system out of about $12/hr.

As mentioned we weren't allowed to play above $10/20 which later on aroused suspicion as to them wanting to keep their props out of the higher limit cheating games.

Did you get this info from hacking ub/ap? Or were you an employee at one time?

Even though all the AP prop names and screen names were removed that this person posted, I was able to verify that they were indeed legitimate and AP prop accounts.

I wonder if AP/Cereus will even comment on the fact that a large list of former AP prop players was released, with email address, screen names, real names, and account ID numbers. Seems like a pretty big breach in security, esp. since this person likely has the financial info to these accounts and possibly others as well.

I'll check my "deleted" folder of my inbox, but I had all the names/info too. I get email updates and a post, even if it was deleted, will still be in the email.

I also found a shill for pokerstars recently this way when he made a statement on behalf of PS but made it from the wrong 2p2 account He quickly corrected that but still.

Nice to know that they condoned multiple accounts and that some(many?) of these accounts are still open so they continue to condone it.

Here's condensed info(not authored by me) that caught my attention(sorry if it's improper to post or repost this but I couldn't help it):

Here is a link to the 1st post in that thread. The poster then made several posts, now removed, containing info coming from AP, such as email, screen name, and real name.

The poster also implied he could get financial information with the accounts. It is unsure if he hacked AP or was/is a disgruntled emplyee.

Another useful poster, Narcman had this to say:


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Anyone can get banking info from AP and UB’s players, because they are stupid enough to they keep all the info in shared folders so all the staff has access to it. Believe me I know




Then this new poster, OlmRim said this right after the post above:


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This guy is absolutely correct, I can get financial info from all players, all these info will be posted very soon, and for those that keep telling me that I shouldn’t be doing this, AP and UB shouldn’t be ripping people off, is that fair?




Now this Narcman poster has some other interesting posts. The first came in the thread created after Haley posted Scott Tom ScreenShots. He had this to say:



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I don’t know whet you guys got this info from, but I know for sure that the guy in charged of both security depts. Is a Filipino guy that was born in Canada, his name is Nolan Bolusan, he is involved in all this scam, he helped with the covering, the sad part is that he is still there figuring out how to cheat all of us poker players




The name Nolan is on a few UB screenshots, etc.

He also seem to know alot about AP and the crew, see here:


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First of all, the company that created their software is located in Korea (Panoratec) which they strategically purchased about 3 years ago so they could see other player’s cards. Unfortunately if anyone thinks that this is over, I got news for you, they still control the software.




And this post


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Their headquarters is in Rohormoser just outside of San Jose Costa Rica; 200 meters east from a shopping mall called (plaza Mayor) their phony name is IDS, stands for Innovative Data Solutions that’s where everything started. It’s a four story building, the president of this fake company is a guy named Olman Rimola who also hides in Panama most of the time, but he is not the guy that calls the shots, Paul Legget does, this is the person that took over after AJ got transferred to Panama to make us all think that he got replaced, this is the location where most of the fraud took place.




Now this new poster OlmRim, seems to be mocking this name. See his 2+2 profile.

The panama story seems legit, as former a "former AP guy" now owns a gold storage business there as well.


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Allegedly, a gentleman by the name of Oscar Hilt Tatum was/is Absolute's CFO and involved in the scam. The article mentions:

"It’s unclear where he lives at the moment, but Panama has granted him and his dad residence permits."

will this dumb thread ever die? people know the risk of playing on UB, if you dont like it then just do not play there.

dumb posters that miss the point should stop posting

[/QUOTE=dostofan]Now this new poster OlmRim, seems to be mocking this name. See his 2+2 profile.[/QUOTE]

Kevmath already checked out OlmRim and verified he is not who he claims to be