http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/19...4/index14.html

Cliffnotes are Traheho tries to start the thread off by claiming Perky owes him $ and wont pay, but soon after that Viffer comes in and says he knows that Traheho helped steal 150,000$ from a businessman who backed perky. This was in 2007 on Full Tilt Poker. Traheho used a betting tell for Perky to chipdump to him because the businessman was watching the match and they needed to be sly about it. In the beginning of the thread, Traheho claims he will answer any questions an loves the notion of honesty. He also offers to put up 50 thousand to prove he is right. Viffer agrees to this, and tries to post with Blitz, Rast, or Robl. Once traheho realizes it is Viffer posting, he refuses to respond and in essence backs out of posting the 50k. Traheho has since stopped posting in the thread, and the few friends who supported Traheho at first in the thread (good2cu, okay 1 friend) are nowhere to be found. Yet, Alec "traheho" Torelli is part of the Epic Poker League ethics committee. He judges others while refusing to answer questions about his own matter. I think it is clear that Viffer is not making anything up. The fact that traheho not only refuses to put up the $ that he once said he was happy to do so, but also will not return to the thread to answer the questions of many HSNLers, is very telling.

he's probably just out of the country somewhere w/o internet connection.

He's probably out of the country spending that 150K somewhere

wrong, he is in Las Vegas, playing live cash. this is from Viffer:

ROFLMAO if this is true. Its another lovely positively BIG BLACK MARK for EPIC FAIL POKER LEAGUE

Guys, it doesn't matter to Epic if any of their members stole, lied, covered up scandals or cheated in the past. They all get to use their one time for amnesty from all that.

As long as they don't do it AGAIN, it's all good. Pretty cool irony bubble they all live in.

Edit: I know nothing about the Torelli incident and wasn't referring to him specifically, just the hilarity of the stance Epic has taken.

From viffer (under new acct 'gr8'):

*although he doesn't make it clear in this post he stated previously that the onlooker was Perky's backer - 'Perky found a backer to play alec after he lost the 150k. Perkys backer was a buisness man just looking to gamble.'

(viff's post edited slightly for spelling/grammar)

anytime someone offers 50k bet to prove they're innocent it would appear they are in fact guilty

woah

In the interests of fairness, traheho's defence was:

He made a few other posts later but this is the main one. When asked 'why the betting tells', his response was 'I obliged to Perky's requests'. He didn't explain any further. His position throughout (or until he stopped posting), was that he had no idea Perky was (or may have been) losing someone elses money in the chip dump.

and yet:
"Originally Posted by gr8 View Post
Well we were both there and when alec quit the game 85k winner i tried to post 50k with brian rast or dan blitz. Alec tried to insult everyones brain power and weasle his way out of it with his pathetic excuses.

Alec was the one that suggested we [post the money and was the one that said dan blitz was fine, alec also sugested that he would answer all questions here. Now he kinda disapeared. i saw him today and gave him the chance to post more money wich he declined.

i convinced at least 3 people just by the look on his face and the shiver in his voice when it was brought up at the table.

Plus i kinda hate the fact that hes on the ethics committe and stuff the fact that he would even accept that position is disgusting."


i understand the need to hear both sides, but the post that i am quoting from viffer is more recent then the post that you quote from traheho, so i would say a fair bit of what traheho writes in that post is irrelevant.

What is it lately, a new "scandal" every third day?

This is getting ridiculous.

I'm not sure why this is even NVG-worthy. Let those involved sort it out.

As for me, if by some miracle I ever manage to get any money, I'm not trusting ANYONE with it. Especially poker players.

yeah this is a reasonable point, (the traheho post was from 3rd Nov I think), i just thought we should establish what torelli's position was (basically 'yes we chipdumped but I didn't know about the backer, I just did what perky wanted') before he went quiet.

Well known and previously well-respected high stakes player and 2p2er is accused by another very well known and respected player of being involved scamming/stealing 150k, and it isn't NVG-worthy?

I guess we have different definitions

another classic:

Who the hell goes on a vacation without their cell phone

How is this NOT thread worthy?

High ranking official on the ethics commity of EPL is obviously unethical.

so at best Alec is knowingly is possession of stolen property.

he better hope that backer doesnt get word of these threads.

As much as i dislike alec, i dont think this is the place for this and think mods should close this thread.

Obviously i dont mind it here either, and i do believe he should in no way be judging peoples ethics.

I thought Viffer was banned.

Am i the only guy noticing the drastic difference in writing style between the old vif acct and the new one?..............

i thought the same thing his posting style is nothing like the old 'viffer' account and his facebook page ramblings, i believe that either someone is writing for dippy or its not him

Oh snap! Was following this story in the HSNL forum and found it quite interesting.

kinda off topic, but the worst thing about annie duke is that a very high percentage of the general public thinks shes an awesome poker player and a great ambassador to the game. 1/2 the pros i follow on twitter thank her for how good her tournaments are, which is frustrating when EPL is such scum both in theory and in practice.

(relevant b/c traheho on EPL "ethics" committee)

Going on vacation for 5 days without a cellphone or laptop when your integrity is being attacked, looks like a pretty -ev play to me if you're innocent.

people who lie about going on vacation and not taking their cell phone?

the poker world has more dumb drama then high school.

as i see it the op is not a very good description of the issue:

-perky loses 150k to alec hu on credit.
-perky pays by dumping the money on ftp.
-viffer says that money was dumped off a backing deal with alecs knowledge
-alec claims he didnt know the money was a backers
-theres some question about whether perky was being backed when he lost the 150, possibly he was backed but wasnt supposed to play alec in that format

certainly doesnt absolve alec, but op is a little misleading.