I'm concerned because I was an affiliate that took a small amount like $100 from my commissions (to be paid out) and transferred it to a real money account, and ran it up to over $1800.

They say affiliates don't qualify but that doesn't seem fair if I used real money (which they were to pay me, and did in the past) to play real money poker.

I submitted a dispute. We'll see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SViV7I-Wdrk

This has probably been posted before, but from Joe Ingram's interview with Phil Hellmuth four days ago, there is a interersting section where he is answering questions about Ultimate Bet and the refunding from 1:00:40 to 1:10:00.

It appears to me that Phil does not like the question that much, and he said that since he left the site some months earlier he is not involved with anything of that. He also goes on about the refunding process and says he is glad everyone is being made whole (even if we still know no details). He may be genuine about what he says and have no part in this whatsoever, but it's still an interesting part of that interview.

he's just plugging his book over and over again.... he's still trying to make himself off as not the bad guy, but that's never going to happen.

June 9th only 13 days away

The winners get to rewrite history but man, he pushes the envelope for telling you black is white in this interview. The tapes didn't clear him, the person who said he had no idea about the cheating was his lawyer who turned out to be a shady ******* in his own right. It was 2+2 that initiated the investigation AIAEC. Phil ran PR for the site here as the scandal unfolded, even claiming at one point that NioNio was not a cheater. When it blew up, a new story was spun that it wasn't him responding to 2+2 but someone impersonating him. He, like Annie et al claimed everything got paid back but we showed in no uncertain terms that the refund process was corrupt and it's likely only a fraction of what was stolen was repaid. Dude can have his opinion, but the facts do not back him up. Unfortunately we live in an age where fraudsters get to lie with impunity and parade their gains on instagram.

I sent on my information - no claims number as previous email domain not in use - does that count as a petition? Basically just submitted account details and current contact details.

So I just found out about this (have been totally out of the poker circuit).

Didn't get any e-mail before, now sent them all my usernames & details.

What are the odds they consider me as a professional and give me nothing?

I did play a bunch and had rakeback.

zero

Will players have an option to withdraw by check or is giving them our bank info mandatory?

If you don't provide banking info they will send a check a couple of weeks later.

this was the case for US FTP players

do we know even know if wires will be available for ROW players?

1h8m28s

joey: the UB scandal really hurt the poker community long-term.
phil: it hurt me!
...
phil: people say that it cost them money. it cost me more than anyone else!

oh, he's genuine alright!

they emailed me some days ago

"You can provide whoever’s bank information that you would like. Payments will be made via ACH which is an Automated Clearing House that is an electronic network for financial transactions in the US"

what a self-centered scumbag, ugh.

Whoever' bank information? How's that possible?

anyone get an official thumbs up to players who had a balance but never deposited?
(aka ran up FREE MONEY)

the language on the claim site seems to be saying that such ppl are sol, but saw some chatter earlier itt saying that those ppl would indeed be made whole.

tia

"Whoevers bank information" does seem odd. What was your full conversation like with them?

dont think ROWs will be able to xfer to other peoples accounts or business accounts

with FTP payouts there was no distinction with FREE MONEY or actual deposits. I remember the same chatter back then because of the language "deposits."
I suspect the same with AP/UB.

ACH transfers are based on the ABA Routing Transit Number plus account number. An ABA number is for use with banks in the U.S. Seems to me that they are saying that they will transfer to any bank account for which you can provide those two numbers. That could be a foreign bank with a branch in the U.S.; a business account; or an account belonging to someone other than you.

For foreign bank accounts, you would need to verify with your bank the availability of an ABA number for ACH transfers to your account. Or check with GCG to find out if they will also accommodate transfers to a foreign bank account using an International Bank Account Number (IBAN) or Swift Code. I think that is unlikely though, as that's a different process that involves a Wire Transfer rather than an ACH transfer.

https://www.worldremit.com/en/help/s...bic-swift-code

https://tipalti.com/global-ach-international-ach/

I was asking if it's possible to transfer the money to a bank account in the US which is not mine but my brothers' instead

I am ROW player

Man, I'm glad I came back to the 2p2 forums and found this thread. Thought I'd never get the chance to get my UB balance back.

While the guidelines put out do use the term "professional player" it has been very clear from past practice that the administrators do not mean this in the same way we would colloquially identify a "professional player." To CGC it basically means "paid in some way by AB/UP to play" - and that does not include rakeback, which is merely a reduction of your cost to play. Understand that in the first instance the administrators are going to interpret "paid to play" in the broadest sense. Do not hesitate to explain to them your specific circumstances. We went through this with the FT remission and, in the end, though it often took a really long time, the administrators did the right thing most of the time.

That is great info, thanks.

If it is indeed true that they will not offer international wires with IBAN/SWIFT code at least the possibility of xfering with ACH to anybodys account could certainly help some ROWs. By the looks of things if a ROW player does not have a bank account that supports ACH or a friend that has one he will most likely have to go for a check.

I will try and ask them tomorrow if they have ever offered IBAN/SWIFT wires in their past cases involving ROWs

Can't find a clear answer on this but if you're a professional player will this money be treated as earned or unearned income?

For everyone, it's treated as money that's being returned to victims of a fraud. So it's not any type of income and isn't taxable.

Not necessarily. If you reported the income at the time it was originally won, then you are right. If you didn't report it (which some might have done since the money wasn't "constructively received"), then it is a taxable event that needs to be reported as income. It would be considered Gambling Winnings for income tax reporting purposes, or Schedule C business income for the pro player - report it just like any other poker winnings as described in the US Taxes Sticky.