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08-14-2017 , 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by kahntrutahn
You won't get banned at all. You'll simply be directed to the most appropriate thread for you.





Wait huh? Did we prove that most of these players were from the same region or is this just based off the super solid "Dean" name connection? Did I miss something?

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Nothing about region or affiliate deals got resolved. I got banned 2 month ago and I'm from Sweden and had no affiliate deal. Reason why most banned were eastern european is simply that most grinders on 888 seem to come from eastern europe. It's not uncommon that im the only one at the table who isn't semi-russian.

The accusations are 100% baseless. I have no connection to anyone at 888, never used any software except Poker Tracker, etc. I'm cleaner than a priest on a sunday. Probably they tuned their algorithm in such a way it got tons of false positives I'd fuess.

Last edited by imfromsweden; 08-14-2017 at 11:18 AM.
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08-14-2017 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
I got banned 2 month ago and I'm from Sweden
Story checks out.
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08-14-2017 , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Barry Urinstein
Story checks out.
Exactly what a Russian bot would say. Making us think your from Sweden all this time. We're on to you Vladamir.

Last edited by _jimbo_; 08-14-2017 at 05:24 PM.
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08-14-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Adjusted
I made a post earlier which I think is very relevant, that didn't get the love it should have. Maybe I wasn't clear?

Poker sites are running security software that will flag your account if the algorithm recognizes certain conditions. Once the account is flagged it takes an act of God to have it restored. Their first step is to send the standard email "There is nothing we can do, your account will remain closed."

I think they have very few competent support people and they rely too heavily on the software. They basically ignore your protests and only escalate it if you become very persistent.

The support people don't even know the reason the account was flagged because the first reply I got when my account was flagged was completely wrong. I got the real reason after many emails.

What I'm guessing is they have been getting a lot of hate for not stopping bots. They don't want to spend money on increasing competent security personnel so they tweaked their software to hopefully catch more bots. It could be that the software is getting false positives from a defective algorithm. That would explain why there are so many false positives suddenly...perhaps from a recent software update.
^^ 100% this.
My account was "flagged" 3 months ago for "using seating script/aids".
The only poker softwares I ever used are HM2 and Equilab. Never installed any mod or other stuff that might interfere with 888 software's code.
I e-mailed them to ask about proof/evidence, all they said was that I should stop to use "seating script/aids" and if not, my account will be banned and funds seized.
After that, I was obviously afraid to keep playing there and just finished to clear my bonus and almost stopped playing there since then.
I even made a complaint to eCogra which replied the exact same thing than 888 : that I should stop to use "seating script/aids".
Do you really think I would come here to make this post if I was a real cheater ? My account wasn't banned so what would the purpose of me telling lies right now ?

Weird thing is that just before this happened, I went into an argument with their support staff about something irrelevant (bonus display).
I got my account for 5 years and never went into an argument with them, yet the only one time it happened, suddenly I'm called a cheater and they want to ban me.
IMO, there are very shady people working there and management clearly has no control over their staff/security software.
I also remember that frustrated guy in the official 888's thread who was accusing anyone clicking fast enough to sit at his tables to be bots.
Guy was making 3sec video "proofs" (proving nothing) and giving SN's to 888 in order to make innocent people banned. Maybe they just believed him too much ?

BTW, I don't have any affiliate deal/extra RB or anything like that and I don't live in eastern Europe.

Last edited by ShowMeUrAce; 08-14-2017 at 06:12 PM.
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08-14-2017 , 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowMeUrAce
^^ 100% this.
My account was "flagged" 3 months ago for "using seating script/aids".
I saw "aids" earlier itt and after seeing the above post I thought there was a script called "aids". It's "aides", not "aids". I'm not sure how you'd use aids
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08-14-2017 , 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I saw "aids" earlier itt and after seeing the above post I thought there was a script called "aids". It's "aides", not "aids". I'm not sure how you'd use aids
I simply copied the exact term they used themselves
Feel free to complain to 888 about the way they spell words, but I assure you that "aids" was the word employed by them several times to describe the software I was so-called using.
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08-14-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I saw "aids" earlier itt and after seeing the above post I thought there was a script called "aids". It's "aides", not "aids". I'm not sure how you'd use aids
You're wrong. An 'aide' is a person, a personal assistant, usually to an important person like a political leader.

'Aids' are things that help, which is the correct usage in this case.
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08-14-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ShowMeUrAce
^^ 100% this.
My account was "flagged" 3 months ago for "using seating script/aids".
The only poker softwares I ever used are HM2 and Equilab. Never installed any mod or other stuff that might interfere with 888 software's code.
I e-mailed them to ask about proof/evidence, all they said was that I should stop to use "seating script/aids" and if not, my account will be banned and funds seized.
After that, I was obviously afraid to keep playing there and just finished to clear my bonus and almost stopped playing there since then.
I even made a complaint to eCogra which replied the exact same thing than 888 : that I should stop to use "seating script/aids".
Do you really think I would come here to make this post if I was a real cheater ? My account wasn't banned so what would the purpose of me telling lies right now ?

Weird thing is that just before this happened, I went into an argument with their support staff about something irrelevant (bonus display).
I got my account for 5 years and never went into an argument with them, yet the only one time it happened, suddenly I'm called a cheater and they want to ban me.
IMO, there are very shady people working there and management clearly has no control over their staff/security software.
I also remember that frustrated guy in the official 888's thread who was accusing anyone clicking fast enough to sit at his tables to be bots.
Guy was making 3sec video "proofs" (proving nothing) and giving SN's to 888 in order to make innocent people banned. Maybe they just believed him too much ?

BTW, I don't have any affiliate deal/extra RB or anything like that and I don't live in eastern Europe.

I got the same email a couple months ago, I replied telling them their algorithm is garbage and they said don't worry about ban if you don't use. I am like 75% sure their algorithm just checks for spam clicks on a seat, because that's what I was doing when their idiot tables bugged so you couldn't sit them unless you restarted client. I make sure not to click on seats too much when they bug and so far no ban. I only used pt4 and table ninja which they expressly allow.
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08-15-2017 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by .isolated
I saw "aids" earlier itt and after seeing the above post I thought there was a script called "aids". It's "aides", not "aids". I'm not sure how you'd use aids
Don't take the following too serious but instead of submitting 10k+ posts on the internet and then sound dead serious about grammar etc. maybe read a book or two. Will definitely improve anybody's grammar skills.
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08-16-2017 , 12:36 AM
I haven't been following this thread in it's entirety, after being in contact with 888's integrity team. I just wanted to update, that they reversed my ban after having a lawyer verify my identity and I can now access my account and all of my funds.
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08-16-2017 , 05:57 AM
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Originally Posted by IsaacAsimov
I haven't been following this thread in it's entirety, after being in contact with 888's integrity team. I just wanted to update, that they reversed my ban after having a lawyer verify my identity and I can now access my account and all of my funds.
So you had to hire a lawyer just to prove 888 you were the person on your ID card ?
In your case, the price was probably worth it, but not everybody can afford a lawyer just to refute false accusations.
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08-16-2017 , 06:41 AM
https://www.888poker.com/magazine/st...st-poker-bots/

There's also other languages:

RUSSIAN http://ru.game888poker.com/magazine/...st-poker-bots/
GERMAN https://de.888poker.com/magazine/str...st-poker-bots/
SPANISH https://es.888poker.com/magazine/str...st-poker-bots/
and many other languages, too...

They must be f---in' kidding. That's how much they value their customers whether be it machines or human beings. A customer is a customer. They are basically totally OK with botting and it is only to do us stupid human players a favor that they don't EXPLICITELY allow them.
Thanks for 888. Well played you scummy scum scums.

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Are Bots Inherently Bad?
We'll just finish with an interesting question regarding morality. Are poker bots bad? What do you think?

The only reason we actually consider them as bad is because they are against the rules of the poker site. Assuming a poker site decides to put in big letters on their web page that they allow poker robots then there is nothing inherently wrong with this.

Players would now know there is a chance they are playing against bots and wouldn't be upset when they found one. The site would also generate additional rake, because bots are great at putting in huge volume and never tilting.

It's essentially up to every poker site to make the decision. At this stage, all choose to not allow bots presumably because it may discourage recreational players from hitting the tables. Many players would not like the idea that they are not playing a human......but instead an emotionless robot, who never tilts and can perform lightning fast calculations.
Rly 888?!? What a really bad joke.
Made my head once again asplode. Aaaasploooode!!!
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08-16-2017 , 07:13 AM
When I click on the link it doesn't go anywhere, and when I copy/paste it it gives me 404 error
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08-16-2017 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by NL5+
When I click on the link it doesn't go anywhere, and when I copy/paste it it gives me 404 error
won't post the article (due to copyright) here, but it's an 'strategy' advice from 2015
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08-16-2017 , 08:56 AM
Reading between the lines they basically say they're looking for anomalies compared to how people generally play at that level. They give the example that the average check/raising frequency on the flop is about 6%, so if someone is much higher than that and winning over a large sample, then that's suspicious. They also mention timing tells and not chatting as suspicious.

To me it doesn't make much sense, people who play non-standard are surely less likely to be bots than the other way around. But I can now understamd why they banned so many innocent players.
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08-16-2017 , 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NL5+
When I click on the link it doesn't go anywhere, and when I copy/paste it it gives me 404 error
Try right-click, Open Link in New Window.
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08-16-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by NL5+
When I click on the link it doesn't go anywhere, and when I copy/paste it it gives me 404 error
Running an ad blocker? 888 seems uniquely penalized by extensions like ublock - any new web pages, even if initiated by the user, are immediately killed.
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08-16-2017 , 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Mike Haven
Try right-click, Open Link in New Window.
Right click / open incognito window was the only thing that worked. I am running an ad blocking program maybe that's the problem. Thanks
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08-17-2017 , 12:47 AM
Sorry guys for cross-posting again but please also check the official 888 thread over in "Internet Poker" as it seems there's two same discussions going on in parallel:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28...hread-1076775/
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08-17-2017 , 02:14 AM
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Originally Posted by ShowMeUrAce
So you had to hire a lawyer just to prove 888 you were the person on your ID card ?
In your case, the price was probably worth it, but not everybody can afford a lawyer just to refute false accusations.
Having a lawyer verify your identity is not that expensive. It costs between 50-150 dollars roughly, depending on how many documents you want verified and your country of residence. I think my mistake was that I used my local drivers license instead of my passport. However, 888 did approve this identification prior to me depositing, so I can't really blame myself. I did follow proper procedure to prevent funds being seized based on lack of documents.
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08-17-2017 , 01:19 PM
Account Reopened

Email 1 [Aug 1st]:
Account banned for use of Artificial Intelligence.

Email 2 [Aug 5th]:
Account remains banned for use of Artificial Intelligence and you won't get your money back.

Email 3 [Aug 10th]:
"The decision to revoke your membership remains final. We will provide the authorized Third party with all the details to show and confirm as to why such actions have been taken."

Email 4 [Aug 12th]:
"We have reviewed your suspension, provide notorised documents to prove your identity. "
(Note: I didn't get time to do this yet.)

Email 5 (Aug 17th):
"Your account was recently suspended due to a suspicious activity investigation. This investigation has now concluded, your account has been ruled out of the investigation and reopened."

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My account has been re-opened and is fully working, and I was able to withdraw my money (which I did pretty quick).
Hopefully this will also shut a few people up in the thread, these bans were straight up shady as ****.

Hope everyone else gets their money back, it's good to see some others already have.

I am also fairly certain that these accounts wouldn't be getting reopened if it wasn't for this thread and the attention its brought, so thanks to everyone who's helped.

This is one of the shadiest things I've been involved in and I'll be staying well clear from 888.

The fact that they have reopened accounts after everything they have said looks worse for them. No idea what just happened but I'm glad I got my money back.
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08-17-2017 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Reading between the lines they basically say they're looking for anomalies compared to how people generally play at that level. They give the example that the average check/raising frequency on the flop is about 6%, so if someone is much higher than that and winning over a large sample, then that's suspicious. They also mention timing tells and not chatting as suspicious.

To me it doesn't make much sense, people who play non-standard are surely less likely to be bots than the other way around. But I can now understamd why they banned so many innocent players.
If this is accurate I would recommend that anyone with funds on 888 immediately withdraw. Such a poorly run business is doomed to fail imminently.
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08-17-2017 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by ADK
Account Reopened

Email 1 [Aug 1st]:
Account banned for use of Artificial Intelligence.

Email 2 [Aug 5th]:
Account remains banned for use of Artificial Intelligence and you won't get your money back.

Email 3 [Aug 10th]:
"The decision to revoke your membership remains final. We will provide the authorized Third party with all the details to show and confirm as to why such actions have been taken."

Email 4 [Aug 12th]:
"We have reviewed your suspension, provide notorised documents to prove your identity. "
(Note: I didn't get time to do this yet.)

Email 5 (Aug 17th):
"Your account was recently suspended due to a suspicious activity investigation. This investigation has now concluded, your account has been ruled out of the investigation and reopened."

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My account has been re-opened and is fully working, and I was able to withdraw my money (which I did pretty quick).
Hopefully this will also shut a few people up in the thread, these bans were straight up shady as ****.

Hope everyone else gets their money back, it's good to see some others already have.

I am also fairly certain that these accounts wouldn't be getting reopened if it wasn't for this thread and the attention its brought, so thanks to everyone who's helped.

This is one of the shadiest things I've been involved in and I'll be staying well clear from 888.

The fact that they have reopened accounts after everything they have said looks worse for them. No idea what just happened but I'm glad I got my money back.
This is ****ing scummy. How many people give up after a few emails and never get their money back? We'll never know.
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08-17-2017 , 03:07 PM
Disgraceful behavior from 888.
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08-18-2017 , 01:18 AM
Kind of funny how, millennials can barely function in the public or at a job place if they can even manage to get a job, without a car and just Uber. Funny how you ******s need and can only play poker online with all this data. What can you idiots do without crutches?
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