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08-18-2017 , 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by LostSailor
Kind of funny how, millennials can barely function in the public or at a job place if they can even manage to get a job, without a car and just Uber. Funny how you ******s need and can only play poker online with all this data. What can you idiots do without crutches?
Lost too much on 888 I assume eh? Sorry to hear.
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08-18-2017 , 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by LostSailor
Kind of funny how, millennials can barely function in the public or at a job place if they can even manage to get a job, without a car and just Uber. Funny how you ******s need and can only play poker online with all this data. What can you idiots do without crutches?
You can't even construct a sentence.
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08-18-2017 , 06:38 PM
First of all I apologize for the delay in delivering an official response here. This is a rather sensitive issue that involves several teams in 888 and I needed to get proper authorization before I can post replies with more information on a security issue.

Banning poker bots and other unauthorized software users is a top priority for 888poker. Our Fraud Department is using several bot detection methodologies, and while we are very confident regarding most of our recent bans, occasionally it is possible that a legit account could get blocked and for that we apologize, but please understand that these kind of mistakes are bound to happen as we seriously battle this phenomenon.

In cases where we did not feel a top level of confidence that the closed accounts were bots, we have agreed to reopen if the players could verify their identity with us. Should your account have been affected and you require further information, please contact our Operations Department on operations@cassava.net


As for the article mentioned here – 888Poker Magazine is trying to cover various topics which may be of interest to poker players, and one of the chosen topics for the January 2016 release was playing with poker bots. This is purely a content editor choice which was based on industry trends, and obviously has nothing to do with 888poker’s strict policy of prohibiting bots.

Regards,

888Rep
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08-18-2017 , 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 888Rep
In cases where we did not feel a top level of confidence that the closed accounts were bots, we have agreed to reopen if the players could verify their identity with us.
Your Ops team at 888 is presumably aware that there are several options between "open account" and "ban account & seize all funds", right?
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08-18-2017 , 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by imfromsweden
Reading between the lines they basically say they're looking for anomalies compared to how people generally play at that level. They give the example that the average check/raising frequency on the flop is about 6%, so if someone is much higher than that and winning over a large sample, then that's suspicious. They also mention timing tells and not chatting as suspicious.

To me it doesn't make much sense, people who play non-standard are surely less likely to be bots than the other way around. But I can now understamd why they banned so many innocent players.
Mtt bots on party/stars were caught because they play(ed) wildly different than humans.
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08-18-2017 , 09:00 PM
"This is ****ing scummy. How many people give up after a few emails and never get their money back? We'll never know."

I think every online poker company did the same thing, stars did the same thing, but maybe one security guy told them not to (IIRC). They definitely made some horrible ****up bans and said "dont even bother trying to change our minds". I'm not sure why online poker security does that, but it makes them look awful when they're inevitably wrong again and again and again.

They should actually be looking for truth rather than cut down people's ability to appeal their terrible bans and attempts to steal people's money. We'd all be better off imho.
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08-18-2017 , 09:32 PM
If you don't have top confidence that they are bots then why the **** do you even close these accounts in the first place? What ****ing logic is that? You either have clear proof that a bot was running or you don't! Goodbye 888poker.
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08-18-2017 , 09:52 PM
888 has clearly demonstrated they are quick to send the "you're banned, your money is ours" e-mail, I have no idea how anyone could play there with any confidence in the site's integrity and safety of one's funds.
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08-19-2017 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by LostSailor
Kind of funny how, millennials can barely function in the public or at a job place if they can even manage to get a job, without a car and just Uber. Funny how you ******s need and can only play poker online with all this data. What can you idiots do without crutches?
im sorry that you keep losing your social security/disability check at cheezburger stakes every month. don't get discouraged, it'll turn around and you'll go on a heater eventually, then you'll really show these whippersnappers
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08-19-2017 , 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
Your Ops team at 888 is presumably aware that there are several options between "open account" and "ban account & seize all funds", right?
Also "feel" should neither be part of a security teams logic nor part of this sentence.
Not meaning to nit pick but this all "FEELS" pretty intransparent and random to me.
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08-20-2017 , 08:42 AM
Wow.. was looking for a site to play and 888 was one of the top options imo if not counting in stars.. good I found this thread. Can't feel safe there if all this info in here is true.
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08-22-2017 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LostSailor
Kind of funny how, millennials can barely function in the public or at a job place if they can even manage to get a job, without a car and just Uber. Funny how you ******s need and can only play poker online with all this data. What can you idiots do without crutches?
Did you hit your head when you fell overboard?
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08-23-2017 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by frankisdrawing
Wow.. was looking for a site to play and 888 was one of the top options imo if not counting in stars.. good I found this thread. Can't feel safe there if all this info in here is true.
888 I've played since day one. It was the first and only site I've played where I've had the winning hand and had the pot awarded to the loser (their first platform playing 50-100 LHE). They are a casino business first, and have always had a poor customer service reputation. I wouldn't attribute to malice what I can attribute to pure incompetence here. I actually believe them.

The bot infestation is rampant, and while many bots don't win much, what they do is regress the game back closer to equilibrium, and thus have chips passed around (raked) more times than if the games had more action. It could be the case they suspect every winning cash player is a bot.

888 only cares about people who win, because in their minds, nobody should win, especially pros. That's the mentality of every site in fact. It's expensive to pay winners, and fish only come back so many times making marketing a game of increasing cost and diminishing returns. This is the era where sites are cashing in.

I don't think 888 is any more or less trustworthy than any other site. You should be worried about everyone else too.
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08-23-2017 , 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by hmm422
888 I've played since day one. It was the first and only site I've played where I've had the winning hand and had the pot awarded to the loser (their first platform playing 50-100 LHE). They are a casino business first, and have always had a poor customer service reputation. I wouldn't attribute to malice what I can attribute to pure incompetence here. I actually believe them.

The bot infestation is rampant, and while many bots don't win much, what they do is regress the game back closer to equilibrium, and thus have chips passed around (raked) more times than if the games had more action. It could be the case they suspect every winning cash player is a bot.

888 only cares about people who win, because in their minds, nobody should win, especially pros. That's the mentality of every site in fact. It's expensive to pay winners, and fish only come back so many times making marketing a game of increasing cost and diminishing returns. This is the era where sites are cashing in.

I don't think 888 is any more or less trustworthy than any other site. You should be worried about everyone else too.
Yep, "caveat emptor" is even more applicable these days to every poker site. They are basically milking the cow till it runs dry.
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08-24-2017 , 09:57 AM
Try Facebook poker no bots and play real money with friends, just get group friends play poker

When session finished turn what ever value chips you want into real money, no rake still play online.
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09-11-2017 , 07:31 AM
I got unblocked. Apparently affiliate was the problem.
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09-11-2017 , 08:37 AM
almost no russians online atm...
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09-11-2017 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
Your Ops team at 888 is presumably aware that there are several options between "open account" and "ban account & seize all funds", right?
+1

Like I said before, I am pretty certain if it wasn't for this thread we'd still be banned.

I didn't even have to verify my identity in the end and still got my account unlocked and money withdrawn, after a response saying my account would never be reopened again. So ****ed up.
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09-12-2017 , 11:37 PM
put them each in a BURLAP SACK.

toss them in the RIVER.


if they FLOAT, then they're a WITCH. if they DROWN, then they are INNOCENT.
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09-14-2017 , 04:54 PM
It seems to me that this mass banwave had a hand in killing action at their site. It wasn't too long ago that 888 was poised to overtake Party and become real competition for Stars but the amount of people playing MTTs there has dropped considerably.

Who wants to deposit on a site where there is a real possibility that your funds could be stolen by the site, for no ****ing reason? It might take some time to restore confidence, if at all.
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09-15-2017 , 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HUMBLE.
put them each in a BURLAP SACK.

toss them in the RIVER.


if they FLOAT, then they're a WITCH. if they DROWN, then they are INNOCENT.
And that's their FINAL DECISION.
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09-15-2017 , 03:00 PM
Witch trails went on in 1801 my great great great great grandmother was accused of being a witchcraft who dealt in fine arts of witchcraft

Instead of seeing if she sunk or float they burnt her and if she burnt she was a witchcraft if not she was just a normal women, she obviously burnt.
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09-15-2017 , 03:23 PM
There she was, just walking down the witch trail, and before you know it she's accused of being a witchcraft.
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09-21-2017 , 08:40 AM
I was banned for same reason as everyone else, because they think that there is suspicious game activities on my account and maybe I was using some "special programm", so they confiscate all my funds. Also they told that their decision is last. Luckily I dont have any serious amount here, something like $80.
On my PC i had installed only PT4.
I was shocked and told my affilate about that, he told me that its massive thing and some one shut down their programm.
Later I received message that they want more documents from me, but the letter sounded more like a treat than real procedure.
Going to Notary and only paying for this documents cost more than my account balance, so I was trying to message them and convicted to unban me, but they didnt reply to me.
Finally I made thus documents, but I found out that I cant login to my account and cant send it to them, even they told me in email that I should exactly login to my account to do so.
I am still really curious, what they found so suspicious, well I do have higher than average WWSF, its 62.5, maybe this is the reason, I dont know. But what I do know is that Ive played 61 hands in 4 months and thats all my history playing at this account. Maybe this is suspicious, its all hard to tell and also what I do know is that 888 and they corrupted uncrontrolled employes gonna keep stole money from players not in first time.
They dont care about their own reputation, so how they can care about anything, but profits.
https://gyazo.com/c3bb6794e924954ce85e225ae19fb988

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Dear XXXXXXX,

This is the Operations Team at 888poker and we are contacting you with regards to your account with username XXXXXXX.

Thank you for contacting us. XXXXXX, before we can proceed with your account, I kindly ask that you provide at your earliest convenience the following:

- A notarized copy of your photo ID passport, identification card or your driver license.
- A notarized copy of a utility bill or bank statement, showing your name address as registered to your account

NOTE - Notarized is considered a certified document which is dated, signed and stamped by a Public Notary. 

These documents can be sent to us by you uploading them through the cashier on our site. To do this please log on and then access the cashier through the lobby and select the Verify Your ID option. You will then be guided through a simple process to upload the requested documentation.

Please also provide us with the contact details of the Notary used, we will contact them to verify the validity of the documents received.

I apologise for the inconvenience caused.

Regards,
Operation Team
operations@cassava.net
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09-21-2017 , 04:07 PM
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Originally Posted by ilnine
I was banned for same reason as everyone else, because they think that there is suspicious game activities on my account and maybe I was using some "special programm", so they confiscate all my funds. Also they told that their decision is last. Luckily I dont have any serious amount here, something like $80.
On my PC i had installed only PT4.
I was shocked and told my affilate about that, he told me that its massive thing and some one shut down their programm.
Later I received message that they want more documents from me, but the letter sounded more like a treat than real procedure.
Going to Notary and only paying for this documents cost more than my account balance, so I was trying to message them and convicted to unban me, but they didnt reply to me.
Finally I made thus documents, but I found out that I cant login to my account and cant send it to them, even they told me in email that I should exactly login to my account to do so.
I am still really curious, what they found so suspicious, well I do have higher than average WWSF, its 62.5, maybe this is the reason, I dont know. But what I do know is that Ive played 61 hands in 4 months and thats all my history playing at this account. Maybe this is suspicious, its all hard to tell and also what I do know is that 888 and they corrupted uncrontrolled employes gonna keep stole money from players not in first time.
They dont care about their own reputation, so how they can care about anything, but profits.
https://gyazo.com/c3bb6794e924954ce85e225ae19fb988

Code:
Dear XXXXXXX,

This is the Operations Team at 888poker and we are contacting you with regards to your account with username XXXXXXX.

Thank you for contacting us. XXXXXX, before we can proceed with your account, I kindly ask that you provide at your earliest convenience the following:

- A notarized copy of your photo ID passport, identification card or your driver license.
- A notarized copy of a utility bill or bank statement, showing your name address as registered to your account

NOTE - Notarized is considered a certified document which is dated, signed and stamped by a Public Notary. 

These documents can be sent to us by you uploading them through the cashier on our site. To do this please log on and then access the cashier through the lobby and select the Verify Your ID option. You will then be guided through a simple process to upload the requested documentation.

Please also provide us with the contact details of the Notary used, we will contact them to verify the validity of the documents received.

I apologise for the inconvenience caused.

Regards,
Operation Team
operations@cassava.net
Well this confirms the scummy behavior. Impossible to verify a bot within 61 hands. Essentially the just took the money off an inactive account arbitrarily.
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