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Old 03-11-2008, 10:26 PM   #121
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

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A yew years ago 60 mins contacted Russ-GCA about doing a story on poker cheating. That story never got past the idea phase.

Right-o. I think Russ claimed a producer talked to him. Russ being Russ, he immediately started blowing every horn in sight about it. Of course, it never went anywhere. Here, though, the Absolute story seems to me to be much more sensational and verifiable, which suggests to me it's more likely to happen. How much, of course, I have no idea.

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Old 03-12-2008, 12:42 AM   #122
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

this sounds like really dumb bad news for poker
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Old 03-12-2008, 09:21 AM   #123
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A yew years ago 60 mins contacted Russ-GCA about doing a story on poker cheating. That story never got past the idea phase.
That's because Russ is a drug-****ed nutcase.
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Old 03-12-2008, 10:36 AM   #124
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This is the equivilant of putting your opponent on a hand you beat, then calling.
That's why they're fishies. No one ever said the average player's thought processes were sound.
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:47 PM   #125
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Russell Crowe is going to play the role of Absolute Poker, and Al Pacino will play the role of 2+2
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Old 03-14-2008, 01:50 PM   #126
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also it would be a good time for 60 minutes to do this fast since the UB thing is still going on and maybe with more resources they can put more light on the true ownership structure of UB/AP/Kahnawake...
who exactly does own them? and what is the mark seif connection?
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:23 PM   #127
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also it would be a good time for 60 minutes to do this fast since the UB thing is still going on and maybe with more resources they can put more light on the true ownership structure of UB/AP/Kahnawake...
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who exactly does own them? and what is the mark seif connection?
Absolute is owned by a company called Tokwiro Enterprises, although not much is known about Tokwiro's ownership and management structure.

http://pokerworks.com/article-1371.html

Mark Seif is a spokesman for Absolute.
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Old 03-14-2008, 06:31 PM   #128
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

I conclude that Joseph Tokwiro Norton is the "front" owner, not the actual owner.
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Old 03-14-2008, 08:27 PM   #129
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also it would be a good time for 60 minutes to do this fast since the UB thing is still going on and maybe with more resources they can put more light on the true ownership structure of UB/AP/Kahnawake...
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who exactly does own them? and what is the mark seif connection?
Absolute is owned by a company called Tokwiro Enterprises, although not much is known about Tokwiro's ownership and management structure.

http://pokerworks.com/article-1371.html

Mark Seif is a spokesman for Absolute.

yeah thats probably not the whole truth though. If i remember correctly from those absolute threads its highly likely some of the people at least partially implicated in that mess (Scott Tom and his frat buddies) have some kind of ownership of absolute.
Also what is excapasa (sp?) i remember it being named as the comapany that supposedly bought UB (and owned AP) back when that happened.
I just think 60 minutes has a greater chance to get to the bottom of this then the BBV detectives (who already did awesome work)
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Old 03-14-2008, 11:18 PM   #130
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

Tokwiro Enterprises, owned by ex-Kahnawake Chief Joe Norton, who founded Mohawk Internet Technology in 1999 with a US-backer, and is now the server to over 400 online gaming sites, including AP, UB, and Full Tilt.

So the Kahnawake are just "regulating" the Kahnawake, which explains the mere $500,000 fine AP got for the biggest online poker scandal ever.

http://www.kahnawake.com/gamingcommission/news.asp

Thanks DrewOnTilt.

how is the software for each site developed then?

anyone know?

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Old 03-15-2008, 12:09 AM   #131
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yeah thats probably not the whole truth though. If i remember correctly from those absolute threads its highly likely some of the people at least partially implicated in that mess (Scott Tom and his frat buddies) have some kind of ownership of absolute.
Also what is excapasa (sp?) i remember it being named as the comapany that supposedly bought UB (and owned AP) back when that happened.
I just think 60 minutes has a greater chance to get to the bottom of this then the BBV detectives (who already did awesome work)
I remember that as well. That's why I posted earlier that not much is known about their true ownership.
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Old 03-15-2008, 10:43 PM   #132
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

For those of us who DO think all the major sites are rigged, a 60 Minutes story exposing that is quite welcome. Maybe it will be a step towards cleaning it up.

Go ahead and flame for thinking that, I don't care.
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Old 03-16-2008, 04:50 AM   #133
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

like posted before, we can only hope that they expose ub/ap/kgc for the **** they are, and then show the credible, safe, and good sites and their measures to allow this to never happen, which will in turn, attract all the fishies chasing their chance for fame (show some ballas that live off of stars/ft, ie cts, krantz, etc), which in turn, at least hopefully for the good sites, STARS/ft, will be a good thing.

it cant be all that bad, of course it all depends on the stance they take though. I hope they wont be so biased and not show both sides of the online world
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Old 03-16-2008, 08:38 AM   #134
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I later found out they were also interested in interviewing Michael Josem and Marco Johnson
I'm suprised by this given that they haven't contacted me.
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Old 03-16-2008, 10:48 AM   #135
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Re: 60 Minutes considering Absolute Poker story

We have grown up watching 60 minutes. For many of us, it took a long time to realize that the management of CBS have their own personal and political reasons for presenting the stories the way they do.

Imo, internet poker is at a crossroads whereby, if the US does not change the current legislation, the market will mature and stagnate. If positive legislation does happen, we may have a significant spike in the market as many players will feel 'comfortable' playing online.

Many people in the baby-boom generation, which I am a member, do not trust online gambling. Too easy to cheat and collude and no strength in the regulations.

We have the money and the interest to play but continue to either play very low limits online or do not play at all. We still will go to b&m poker room and events that we feel are run fairly, honestly and of course have regulations.

How 60 minutes slants this segment may be the critical component in determining the direction that online gambling will take in the near future.

Just my thoughts.
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