can you have barcode on? I'm sure thy have a spokesperson

Joey, how come you never ask Lefort for details on his cycle?

On test E non-stop + something like tren/deca on cycle.

Few questions for Lefort in case he accidentally stumbles here at some point:

- List top 3 finance books
- List top 3 books any genre.

I really enjoyed the Colman podcast. He is somehow humble and cocky at the same time. I don't mean that in a bad way, he came off great.

I doubt tren. The effects it would have on his ability to play A+ poker would be heavily affected - his mind would be a mess. Prob on like test, anavar, and a solid diet.

I've considered doing a cycle purely for the purpose of getting huge and proving that I wasn't on anything beforehand. But I guess that defeats the purpose huh.


My value investing strat is based on the strat from Quantitative Value by Wes Gray and Toby Carlisle. I don't really have any other recs tbh.. that covered what I needed.

Any genre:
Shantaram
Sapiens
Evolution is for Everyone
The Power of Now
Waking Up (by Sam Harris)
The Ascent of Money
anything by Michael Lewis

You may cycle it on and off, but you're def getting help from something to maintain that much muscle at that low BF%. I have a ton of respect for your game, and your obvious work ethic, but any experienced lifter knows that your on. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it, you cant just take steroids and look great, it takes a ton of work in the gym, and outside of the gym with your diet. But you have to understand that because you look the way you do, there are a ton of guys that will look up to you, and try to diet and train as hard as you, and will never look like you... and that can be a very defeating feeling for them. Its better to be honest, and be like, "yeah, I take stuff, but I work my ass off to look like this." And the acne all over your chest, shoulders, arms, and back, is another huge indication dude - that is from androgens.

@joey, honestly i have no clue what to do or where to go but i decided to go to chile and visit my cousins for a few weeks. moved back home with my family for a little bit to see them because i think family is important. after that, i have no idea but i'm just working on making as much money as possible so i can just do whatever the *** i want without worrying about anything.

where would you live out of these three?

colombia, budapest, thailand

cheers man

I mean I'm not going to argue with you but I'm not on anything. In my mid 20's I tried a couple things and realized pretty quickly that the recovery back to natural/sustainable state is incredibly harsh for me specifically and that I wouldn't want to have to go through it again. Its been years since anything's been in my system. For reference, I've been 25lbs heavier with lower bodyfat than I am now. It's possible I look better than my numbers indicate? I'm 5'10" just under 200lbs and probably as high as 12-14% BF. This is pretty reasonable/achievable if you set a horizon of 10 years of training very seriously, spending a lot of time learning how to train and diet efficiently, and basically never taking any extended time off of training/diet.

When I talk about hitting a ceiling with regards to what I can achieve with a sustainable/reasonable lifestyle, I'm mostly alluding to the fact that I'm pretty close to the upper end of my natural capacity. I've considered running something just to hit some sort of physical peak such that I could look back at the photos when I'm older and think it was a cool achievement but ultimately I'm scared of what I'd have to go through for my body and mind to get back to normal. It's also a pretty slippery slope to say "I'll just do this one cycle this one time".

As for the acne, I don't really have any? I have a huge keloid scar in the middle of my chest and a lot of skin blemishes/freckles if that's what you're referring to.

If you want to discuss more we can, I'm pretty open about this stuff. I understand your reasoning and you seem pretty knowledgable. In fact I'd probably think the same if I saw myself walking around the gym. But I think it's a little offside to straight up insist I must be on something. It would be different if I was 240lbs and vasular and it was super obvious, then I could see it being frustrating for you. But I'm not even 200lbs.

^^ On camera you look waaaaay more impressive than these numbers indicate. Enjoyed the podcast a lot, all the best!

I appreciate the honesty. If you haven't taken any steroids in years, and youre still able to maintain that kind of muscle mass, that is very impressive. You should be entering natural bodybuilding competitions and winning.

Im sorry you felt it was offside that Id call you out, but Im 28, and have been lifting since I was 16 and Ive never seen someone that looks like you that wasnt at least taking something like anavar to maintain the mass. I think anyone that has been lifting for awhile would think that, and Im sure your friends and randoms ask you all the time.

And to be clear, if I saw you walking around the gym at 240lbs and super vascular, I wouldnt be frustrated - Id think it was very impressive considering youre 5'10. We both know you dont just take steroids and wake up looking like a monster, I dont care what youre on, if youre 5'10 240lbs and under 10% BF, you are working your ass off, in and out of the gym.

I was talking about the people that look up to you (in the poker community or not) maybe feeling defeated because they are working as hard as they can and just not catching up because theyre not aware that they need to be on chemicals to keep up that kind of mass with a low BF%. I was lied to by people I looked up to for many years when I was younger. I used to spend all my money at GNC wasting it on ****ty supplements, working as hard as I could in the gym, and just not catching these guys. Then when I entered my freshman year of university, somebody was finally honest with me and showed me what I had to do to put on and maintain that kind of mass. Today Im 6'2 275lbs, but Im like 20% BF right now (that will be going down in the next few months).

Sincerely,

A fellow intellectual meathead

Yeah I understand and completely sympathize with the sentiment of your comment. What I said about the 240lbs, I meant that it would be frustrating to hear me claim to be natural if that was my physique. Those guys are bad for the sport of bodybuilding and aesthetics-based training but to be honest I don't really blame them for lying given the incentives of the supplement industry. Most of those guys don't have a whole lot going for them career wise and their obsessive bodybuilding hobby is incredibly expensive. The only way they can monetize their gains is by selling themselves as natural, and for a lot of them its the only way they can afford to continue with their obsession.

Also FWIW, plenty of those guys that are huge and cycling on/off (the standard practice) actually genuinely think they are "natural" when they take a few months off of anything (or lowered doses). It's only when they actually stop taking PEDs for the last time (if there is a last time) that they truly experience coming off entirely and everything it encompasses. I feel bad for the guys that were misled and don't quite realize what they're going to have to go through if they ever want to be truly natural again.

Also, something I talk a lot about with friends and training partners is manipulating your physique without actually making changes to the composition of your body. So many guys that lift big and eat big walk around the gym with terrible internal rotation and all sorts of imbalances like massive traps that make their torsos look small or huge arms that actually take away from the overall look of their physique. Something as simple as working on your posture can give you far greater gains in how you look than putting on a few pounds of muscle might. It's something I've worked on pretty relentlessly the past few years, to make the most of what I've got.

Yeah this drives me crazy too, not sure how they think theyre natty, especially when theyre doing something like a long ester test, and the stuff is literally still in their blood. Their endocrine system is still a mess. They need to wait like 6-8months and watch their body basically go through shock. Then comes the depression, and a 2 month war with yourself. Good luck dieting through that, or playing winning poker, or studying for exams.

And yeah some of these guys on instagram selling these bs supplements make me sick. I just feel bad for all the teenagers and people in their early 20's desperately wanting to change their lives and looking up to these con-artists.

You actually seem like a solid guy, its rare to find someone that takes care of themselves mentally and physically - thats pretty rare in the poker world. Ill have to introduce myself in Vegas this summer, Im sure Ill see you around the Rio somewhere.

I know a guy who did body building at world championship level in the 90s.

He'd messed up his hormones so later when he wanted to have kids he had to have IVF due to low sperm count. They had twins prematurely (a greater risk with IVF) and one died.

Leforts hair is way to GTO to have taken a serious bike ride in his life. Only indians and middle east guys can keep 10/10 hair while on gear that is gods word.

Gear does not cause hair loss only accelerates it and lol why are you guys calling him out for being a fake natty he's not in the supplement industry go troll the YouTube guys for kicks if you need to


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Did Joey ask Coleman about his run in with a pregnant mrs lindgren?

A few suggestions of who i think would be entertaining podcasts, mtt guys from australia

Random Chu
Mjw006
SwoopAE (Capitao)

Could even make it a 2 or 3 way

very good podcast with lefort. watching/listening most of your pod's for the entire length papi. I'll pass on the offer of nude pics though.

need aussie Matt.. degen PLOer >>>> MTTers

well done Joey on the latest lefort vid as usual..

Joey, is it time to create a new name for fun player? Obviously it's better than fish, but shouldn't all players strive to be fun players? You are a winner but still a fun player.

I propose 'semi-pro'

I always thought fun players meant they were fun for the regs...

less droid accusations at lefort just because he's in the top 0.0001% of life crushers

yea it is, they are fish.

im just saying there has got to be a more GTO term

"Recreational Players" is perfect surely?