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Way more action in games with 3 blinds rather than 2.

Yes, I plead ignorance to what the difference is. The only explanation so far being given is that there is an extra 2k in the pot. Surprised that this makes, that much more of a difference.

Otherwise a mandatory straddle is basically the same as having the big blind be 8k, and SB being 4k.

As for the 2nd quote... I'm not really sure what this means..

Only a clueless moran would give that explanation....wait, wasn't that you?

Haha, I meant to type "the only explanation so far being given is that the extra 2k creates more action ."

I mistyped what I wrote before.


I just fail to see how the extra 2k blind (effectively a 1/4 blind) changes the game that much..

sick level

Is it possible to ask a question here without getting derided by everyone?

Straddles aren't allowed everywhere, and I don't have much experience with them. A mandatory straddle to me simply just looks like you are raising the stakes, but for some reason rather than just saying "we're playing 4k/8k" they call it "2k/4k with a mandatory straddle"... If everyone straddles every hand, then you might as well just make the BB the SB and the straddle the BB...

But sure, if you need to feel that much better about yourself and call me an idiot, that's fine. I suppose that's what internet forums are for.

Right ok I'll bite. Like tuna pointed out, firstly at 4k/8k 16k is the minimum open. At 2k/4k with an 8k straddle 12k is the minimum open. Also, a straddle means there is 2+4+8 = 14k of blind money preflop as opposed to 4+8=12k of blind money preflop

raised stakes = 4K sb + 8K bb = 12K
mandatory straddle = 2K sb + 4K bb + 8K straddle = 14K

yeah but why would you play 2k/4k with an 8k straddle when you could just call it 4k/8k instead?

but sure, if you feel like you are so intelligent that you understand this impossibly difficult concept go ahead and call me an idiot on the internet forums.

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It creates more action because 3 people are forced to put money in the pot. The SB is more likely to play because they already have money in the pot.

2k/4k/8k means 3 people with money in the pot.
4k/8k would only be 2 people in the pot and 2k less.

the one who straddled is also last to act btw

I just explained that.... Also I haven't responded to a single post of yours, let alone call you or anyone else an idiot. Ofc because of this your above post makes it clear to me you are indeed an idiot

you called me stupid haha

This is wrong.

A straddle is not a blind raise.

A straddle is a bigger blind, therefore gets last action (because it's the biggest blind), and therefore also constitutes an opening bet, and must be raised a minimum of 2x.

2k/4k/8k straddle requires an opening raise to be 16k.

If it's 2k/4k with an 8k blind raise, the blind raise doesn't have an option (just like any other raise doesn't get an option to raise itself), and can be min raised to 12k.

Please learn the difference between straddles and blind raises before posting further.

Have a nice day.

We're talking about the difference between mandatory straddles vs. just upping the stakes. We're not talking about blind raises.

Nope, 2k/4k/8k straddle, minraise is 12k...

I have seen some different ages listed for him. Tell the "poker press" to get their facts right.





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1) I didn't make that account..... (notice I even responded to "Inevercare" saying that we weren't talking about blind raises

2) I'm not arguing with you. I don't doubt that you've played with straddles. That's why I asked what the difference was earlier. So that someone who could explain why the pros wouldn't just up the stakes could explain it to me. Instead, that makes me an "idiot".

Where I deal it doesn't work like that, it works like what you quoted.

i never called you an idiot once

i said are you stupid in reply to this

'It seems like these high stake pros play mandatory straddles because it sounds cooler to say that they are straddling rather than playing a stake that is one level higher...'

it might've come across as a little unnecessary, just the premise that HS guys care what some random sub-forum thinks about their exploits sounded pretty ridiculous

also, wrt to above ^

where i play/have played it works as he said and not as he quoted. so it must be subject to interpretation

A 2 blind 4k/8k game tends to play bigger than a 3 blind 2k/4k/8k game in practice, despite having a 2k less of mandatory money in the pot. The reason for this is that people will put in an optional 3rd blind in for a straddle with a greater frequency than they would put an optional 4th blind in. At more common stakes, an uncapped 10/20 game is straddled to 40 more frequently than an uncapped 5/10/20 game is.

No he's right. If there's a straddle you have to double it. It's like a third blind.

Dude, you're just arguing semantics now. Calling someone an idiot and calling them stupid is basically the same thing.

I'm not saying that the pros are logging onto 2plus2 to check NVG to see what this thread writes about them. I'm just saying, I know lots of players at my casino will blind raise at my casino because they think it's the cool thing to do.

I understand how having like a 1 orbit mandatory straddle could be exciting for a dull game, but if it's going to be a permanent fixture every round, you might as well just play the next stakes up. Clearly more people prefer to play in 2 blind structure, and accordingly most games today are played in a 2 blind structure vs the 3 blind structure. Otherwise instead of seeing 2/5 games we would have 1/2/5 games, and instead of 5/10, we would have 2/5/10.


If that extra 1/4 straddle, and the fact that the min raise can slightly smaller, will dramatically alter the game, rather than if the game was being played as a 4k/8K game, then ok. I play 2/5, but if the game was changed to a 1/2/5 game, I'm sure it wouldn't really change at all.

The best answer given is that 3 people are forced to put money in, which I guess does make sense.