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2 players flop the nut flush playing cash at WSOP 2 players flop the nut flush playing cash at WSOP

07-09-2012 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Alficor1
Norman Chad's deck obv.
They are the prettiest 2 cards in the deck.
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07-10-2012 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by noaskiecards
Did they check to see if there were differences between the aces? Was one of them from a gift shop bicycle deck?

How could this happen? What is needed here - only play with automatic shufflers?

I mean the scary thing is - would most poker players cheat if they could get away with it?
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Originally Posted by SenatorKevin
Time for automatic shufflers in the cash games at the Rio.... If the Venetian can do it for the deep stack events... Just saying.
Auto shufflers wont help as they only count the deck. Deck could have no 4c and 2 As.

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Originally Posted by Kittens
At my local casino, every time there's a dealer change he spreads and counts the deck. Doesn't your casino have some policy like that?
Mine doesn't and I don't recall any place I have played in which a new dealer spreads the cards at the start of their down. FWIW, I wouldn't want my local room to do it as it takes way to long w/ an unset deck.

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Originally Posted by Feel
deck has a factory error obviously.

Dealer's fault....they need to check the deck when they first arrive at the table.

spread the cards
scramble/wash
shuffle
strip
shuffle
shuffle
cut
card sleeve at the bottom of the deck
deal
not dealers fault necessarily and this is not standard.

I see what the problem is looking back at the OPs follow up talking about what happened after with the dealer just counting the new deck face down. How can any place not have a dealer check for the presence of all cards when a new setup comes in? IMR, it takes like 20 seconds!
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07-10-2012 , 02:27 AM
All these guys saying that the guy with the pair and flush should have won the pot are trolling right? If you have the nuts, you go all in. If you go all in with the NUTS and then someone informs you that you have lost the pot, something is very wrong.

The casino admits that their casino is a **** hole, then they chop the pot.
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07-10-2012 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Conz
one player should scoop the pot, casino should then pay the other player the same amount on account of thier idiocy.
Actually yeah scrap my post above, this is a far better solution.
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07-10-2012 , 03:00 AM
i would go nuts if this happened to me
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07-10-2012 , 03:15 AM
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Originally Posted by pookomoo
All these guys saying that the guy with the pair and flush should have won the pot are trolling right?
No. They're dead serious.
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07-10-2012 , 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by tzwien
No. They're dead serious.
Ok I got leveled again. God damn 2+2!
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07-11-2012 , 08:57 AM
And they say online poker is rigged!
Live is riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiged!

But srsly what was the ruling? Chopped pot I'm guessin?
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07-11-2012 , 09:55 AM
There's no money in WSOP everyone's soli ... er got the nut flush

Last edited by Sufferinsuccotash; 07-11-2012 at 10:00 AM.
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07-11-2012 , 10:06 AM
What happens to the guy in the side pot? I hope all 3 had it chopped and not just the nut flush hands
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07-11-2012 , 10:18 AM
It's a misdeal, ALL bets are returned, it's not just chopped. Blinds and btn stays in same place and hand is re dealt
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07-11-2012 , 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by AphexDeuce
And they say online poker is rigged!
Live is riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiged!

But srsly what was the ruling? Chopped pot I'm guessin?
I am serious...is this real? 5 or 6 times the guy alone has seen it (meaning surely many more instances)? How has WSOPTD not been bashed out of a job over this? Every single floor person ought to be sacked for this ****. I'd say the dealers who don't spread the decks too but I'm sure most of them are only hired for WSOP and probably not able to do much about them in this context.

One offs are mistakes....5 offs in huge volume of play could be mistakes....how many times has this *really* happened? Can we call it commonplace at WSOP for rigged decks? Where do we draw the line? When does someone do something about it? In not solving this problem on a wider scale (IE can only assume tourney staff is purposely ignoring this issue at this point) it is really walking a fine line between a mistake and a scam. The last thing we need is for the WSOP to be borderline-scamming players with a combination of bad (possibly fixed?) decks and bad rulings.
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07-11-2012 , 01:22 PM
I think its pretty suspect that the actual ace of spades was the duplicate. If it was a random extra card Id lean more toward it being a manufacturing error.
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07-11-2012 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bachelder
I think its pretty suspect that the actual ace of spades was the duplicate. If it was a random extra card Id lean more toward it being ab manufacturing error.
Yeah, this is somebody blatantly cheating 95% of the time. The ace of spades is a memorable card and a card that gets to showdown often so I think the odds of it being exposed at showdown or showing up on the board AND nobody else having the other ace of spades in their hand is incredibly low.

I doubt it's possible to go to the tapes on this but if they could it's likely imo that either one of the player's in the hand was cheating or the card was introduced by somebody else at the table with the most likely culprit being whoever left the table last.

Also, LOL at some of the other rulings/angles ITT. Shocking almost. If I was in the hand with headphones guys I'd want to insta-quit game, come back after cashing out and rip headphones off angling scumbag's head, stomp them up really good and tell him to go buy a new pair with the money that was taken from me and given to him by the floor. Depending on size of pot/call, iphones/ipads would be in play as well. Also, I'd want to announce to the room that angling scumbag is an angling scumbag and should be treated and dealt with as such.
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07-11-2012 , 03:08 PM
Ban both players from the casino imo
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07-11-2012 , 03:17 PM
OP amusing. Thread mainly hysterical, in the clinical sense. It's a misdeal, that's all.
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07-11-2012 , 05:34 PM
haha they both must have been so excited
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07-11-2012 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ver gato
haha they both must have been so excited
I hope they were ridiculously deep...
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07-11-2012 , 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by ConnorM1888
i would go nuts if this happened to me
Don't go nuts. The nuts are no good in this game.
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07-11-2012 , 08:54 PM
If some guy won a pot recently at showdown with a hand including the A of spade and has recently left the table....
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07-11-2012 , 09:03 PM
even crazier than this picture is the fact that people are still playing cash games at the Rio at all.
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07-12-2012 , 01:30 AM
FFS, this just posted at wsop.com live updates. How many A's are there in that place?

7/11/2012 10:10:57 PM PST (about 2 minutes ago)

Melanie and Maurice

When we arrived at Maurice Hawkins and Melanie Weisner's table, there was a AK9J3 board already out on the felt and around 10,000 already in the pot. Hawkins had led out of 6,500 and it was on Wesiner to act. After thinking for several moments, Weisner went with a call. When Hawkins tabled the A7 , his pair of aces were strong enough to send Wesiner's cards into the muck. With that, Wesiner is down to under 20,000 in chips
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07-12-2012 , 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
It's a misdeal, ALL bets are returned, it's not just chopped. Blinds and btn stays in same place and hand is re dealt
This is basically correct. Except it is not technically a misdeal, it is a void hand. Same result as you said though. All bets, blinds, and antes are returned to the proper players and the hand is dealt again with a deck that isn't fouled.
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07-12-2012 , 04:21 AM
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Originally Posted by tercet
aceking high flush obv should be winnah
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07-12-2012 , 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by IhateJJ
FFS, this just posted at wsop.com live updates. How many A's are there in that place?

7/11/2012 10:10:57 PM PST (about 2 minutes ago)

Melanie and Maurice

When we arrived at Maurice Hawkins and Melanie Weisner's table, there was a AK9J3 board already out on the felt and around 10,000 already in the pot. Hawkins had led out of 6,500 and it was on Wesiner to act. After thinking for several moments, Weisner went with a call. When Hawkins tabled the A7 , his pair of aces were strong enough to send Wesiner's cards into the muck. With that, Wesiner is down to under 20,000 in chips
Just a typical mistake from blogger
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