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07-07-2012 , 02:53 PM


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07-07-2012 , 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by El_Padroni
WTF kind of home game are you running where this happens????
Low stakes with a ton of drinking?
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07-07-2012 , 03:04 PM
According to legend this actually happened in Russia and the floor awarded the pot to the local's AKs over the foreigner's AQs.
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07-07-2012 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by The Juggalo
Live poker is rigged.
Much more than people think. It is very easy for dealers to deal the deck so that the all the exposed cards from the prior hand will not be in play on the next hand. Known as 'boxing out' cards. This knowledge gives their accomplice(s) a great advantage, (knowing what cards won't be in play in the hand). This **** can and prob does happen. Of course most dealers don't do this. but like a security flaw in software, someone is bound to exploit this practice (if some already have).

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Last edited by greep; 07-07-2012 at 03:24 PM.
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07-07-2012 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by 663366
It is true cards are being marked all the time, and the angleshoots are out of control as well. Last night saw a guy with headphones facing a huge announced all-in($2K+ on top of the pot, all-in player pushing one stack of red forward) push one stack forward himself. All-in player turns over the nuts, guy with headphones says "nice hand" and dealer said "he has you covered", to which guy with headphones said "I just called the $100".

Funny thing is, all-in announcement was very loud as was dealer repeating the all-in, guy who called pushing 1-stack forward has also used this trick the day before too. Both times floor was called and ruled since he didn't hear due to headphones he was only liable for the $100 not the announced $2K+ all-in...

lol....
This is an absolute joke. First of all, the angle shooters should be ritual-murdered.

Then the house should be blown to pieces for being so incompetent.

Other than that, nothing should happen.
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07-07-2012 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Parkspossie


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07-07-2012 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by bigpotpoker
Was there an automatic shuffler? That counts how many cards are in deck.

That's really ****ed up.
Maybe if someone added an extra ace of spades, they took out a card when they used it in a hand. Would make sense IMO.
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07-07-2012 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Serge28
A more interesting situation and a much harder ruling would have been if somebody had folded the other ace of spades preflop (instead of having it at showdown) and then made the dealer go through the rest of the deck upon seeing a duplicate ace of spades. If in that picture ace high flush beat a jack high flush for example, and the player with the jack-high flush asked for a floor ruling to give him the money back due to an improper/potentially rigged deck, what would you do?
If the protest was made before the pot was shipped and the board and hands mucked. then it can be chopped up and rebuilt. If it happens at a later time.. all hands played stay played, new deck is brought in, and believe you me, that dealer gets a stern talking to. I dealt 30 minutes of a tourney level without the jack of diamonds.. to be fair i was relieving a dealer mid level, and we change and check decks every break (1 hr).. so it should have been there.

Side note* while replacing felts a while later 2 or 3 cards are usually found under the rail, depending how your table is designed.
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07-07-2012 , 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Otompsett
Oh but seriously, if you have AsAs in your hand and make it to showdown, your hand is dead and you forefit the pot. Just as if you try this angle with just 1 card.
This is wrong...

A foul deck is not someone on the button trying to be funny. It is the casino's responsibility to maintain the integrity of the game. If they are using a foul deck, and it is discovered mid hand. The hand is declared a misdeal and all money returned and no rake taken.
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07-07-2012 , 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by aiminglow
Would have been sick if guy in seat 2 had 67ss and rivered a str8 flush.
Yes it would have, seeing as the river was a diamond.

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Originally Posted by Boobaloo
In my home games when identical cards are inevitably turned up at showdown we add that card to the board. Guy on top wins with K hi flush.
It should be obvious why this is a ridiculous idea.

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Originally Posted by athletec
Hate it when I have the nuts but it's not the best hand
This is actually possible of course.
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07-07-2012 , 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by aiminglow
How did they get to the river?

Would have been sick if guy in seat 2 had 67ss and rivered a str8 flush.
97654......one gap straight flush?
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07-07-2012 , 03:39 PM
So it IS possible to get dealt suited aces then ...
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07-07-2012 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SW_Kaizer
how would you feel if you got dealt As As
If you were an angle-shooter and only cared about $, the most +EV thing to do would be to play very aggressive and to try to win the pot without showdown as you'd be freerolling. Then a few hands later ask to have the deck checked.

If you did show down the hand, just claim that you didn't notice they were both spades.

Personally though, I'd probably just turn them up immediately and be like WTF is this?
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07-07-2012 , 03:45 PM
Did they check to see if there were differences between the aces? Was one of them from a gift shop bicycle deck?

How could this happen? What is needed here - only play with automatic shufflers?

I mean the scary thing is - would most poker players cheat if they could get away with it?
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07-07-2012 , 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by greep
Much more than people think. It is very easy for dealers to deal the deck so that the all the exposed cards from the prior hand will not be in play on the next hand. Known as 'boxing out' cards. This knowledge gives their accomplice(s) a great advantage, (knowing what cards won't be in play in the hand). This **** can and prob does happen. Of course most dealers don't do this. but like a security flaw in software, someone is bound to exploit this practice (if some already have).

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With a genuine shuffle consisting of a wash, 1-3 riffles a strip then 3-5 riffles no dealer can control that many cards thru the process... What you are referring to are card cheats, and scammers... but u should just call the people you are talking about card cheats, not dealers. It is easy for card sharps to manipulate the deck throughout a shuffle. (after years of practice)
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07-07-2012 , 03:52 PM
Yea my only question is how did this happen
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07-07-2012 , 04:09 PM
A boxed card caused me to lose a decent-sized pot in the same game at Rio 2 weeks fwiw because not only was the boxed card(the original turn card) put aside but it was NOT shuffled back in the deck before river was dealt... so I had to watch that card sitting face up, which would've given me trips on the turn, while villain rivered a higher set with a card that would've never been dealt.

BTW another scenario is just dealer forgetting to retrieve cards from previous hand and then put them back in the deck after next hand to the wrong deck... at Rio dealers forget to bring cards in on a daily basis until next hand is dealt... and I'm really not sure they always put them back to the correct deck. Sure the decks are colored differently but it would not shock me if 2 decks of the same color were used at one of these tables... since some of the dealers don't even have a clue what "rake reduction" means, or "buying the button", etc etc this deep into the WSOP...
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07-07-2012 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by vicmorrowshead82
With a genuine shuffle consisting of a wash, 1-3 riffles a strip then 3-5 riffles no dealer can control that many cards thru the process... What you are referring to are card cheats, and scammers... but u should just call the people you are talking about card cheats, not dealers. It is easy for card sharps to manipulate the deck throughout a shuffle. (after years of practice)
Where I'm at, dealers rarely wash the cards between deals. Even so it still easy. I can do it. Doesnt matter about the the number of riffles, etc. All a cheat has to do is- at the completion of the shuffle, make sure the exposed cards are anywhere in the top half of the deck so when the deck is cut the cards end up at the bottom half, thus out of play. Its not exactly the stuff of Houdini, but can still be an easy and effective way to get an edge.

I agree, better to call anyone that does this a cheat - not a dealer.

Last edited by greep; 07-07-2012 at 04:30 PM.
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07-07-2012 , 04:24 PM
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07-07-2012 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by 663366
It is true cards are being marked all the time, and the angleshoots are out of control as well. Last night saw a guy with headphones facing a huge announced all-in($2K+ on top of the pot, all-in player pushing one stack of red forward) push one stack forward himself. All-in player turns over the nuts, guy with headphones says "nice hand" and dealer said "he has you covered", to which guy with headphones said "I just called the $100".

Funny thing is, all-in announcement was very loud as was dealer repeating the all-in, guy who called pushing 1-stack forward has also used this trick the day before too. Both times floor was called and ruled since he didn't hear due to headphones he was only liable for the $100 not the announced $2K+ all-in...

lol....
WOW
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07-07-2012 , 04:54 PM
what da ****
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07-07-2012 , 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 663366
It is true cards are being marked all the time, and the angleshoots are out of control as well. Last night saw a guy with headphones facing a huge announced all-in($2K+ on top of the pot, all-in player pushing one stack of red forward) push one stack forward himself. All-in player turns over the nuts, guy with headphones says "nice hand" and dealer said "he has you covered", to which guy with headphones said "I just called the $100".

Funny thing is, all-in announcement was very loud as was dealer repeating the all-in, guy who called pushing 1-stack forward has also used this trick the day before too. Both times floor was called and ruled since he didn't hear due to headphones he was only liable for the $100 not the announced $2K+ all-in...

lol....
Announcing all-in and pushing one stack forward is not an angle shoot.

Floor ruling is the remarkable part of the story.
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07-07-2012 , 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dankhank
Announcing all-in and pushing one stack forward is not an angle shoot.

Floor ruling is the remarkable part of the story.
I agree what a terrible ruling. If this happened to me I would be very upset and would most likely hit the cage and end the session.
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07-07-2012 , 05:06 PM

Last edited by rakemeplz; 07-07-2012 at 05:06 PM. Reason: beaten to my own game X(
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07-07-2012 , 05:16 PM
Time for automatic shufflers in the cash games at the Rio.... If the Venetian can do it for the deep stack events... Just saying.
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