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2 players flop the nut flush playing cash at WSOP 2 players flop the nut flush playing cash at WSOP

06-09-2014 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Loctus
All bets are returned to all players so it goes back to like it was before teh hand.
TY

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Originally Posted by bentaylor1988
Probably due to the fact that the same thing happened in a PLO game a few days ago at RIO
Yes another thread on page 1 of NVG, also ace of spades.
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08-06-2014 , 05:21 PM
Bumped this cause a similiar thing happened yesterday, with a different outcome.

Game was 3-6 lhe. with bbjacpot in play.

flop was akk turn 2clubs river 2 clubs

one guy had aa the other kk. 30k jackpot.

after 4 hrs of discussion, the casina paid the 30k. guessing it was a pr play.
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08-06-2014 , 05:44 PM
Interesting. I'm fairly sure in WA they wouldn't be allowed to pay out a player-supported jackpot (PSJ) with a fouled deck. (The house is required to impound the deck for seven days for inspection after a $500 or greater prize.)

I thought about why that is, and all I could come up with is, allowing a fouled deck would allow the house to transfer money from the PSJ to a confederate by rigging the jackpot to come up more often when the confederate is in the game.

Too bad the final board wasn't KKA turn A river K
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08-06-2014 , 08:24 PM
Dafuq
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08-07-2014 , 12:52 AM
AK flush is nuttier than AQ flush
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08-07-2014 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by bentaylor1988
Probably due to the fact that the same thing happened in a PLO game a few days ago at RIO
I think I was playing in that PLO game. It was early June 2nd or 3rd. Guy showed As flush draw after opponent folded the flop and opponent after mucking kept saying he folded As blocker so we all said he was lying. We had the dealer turn over the deck and sure enough 2 As. Floor was called over and didn't know what to do. We all wanted some sort of comp due to their mess up. Told us he was calling over his supervisor and after quite some time just told us basically tough ****. We called him back over and were able to get 1 hour no rake. Left a bad taste in my mouth because I'm 99% sure it was dealer error where the top card As got in to our deck. I feel like the Rio with all the money they make on WSOP could of game us a better comp for their mistake.
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08-07-2014 , 02:03 PM
it's always tough shyte no matter what the occurrence is unless you can catch it when it is in play. this includes decks that are missing cards because they happen to get dealt under the rail etc.

there is no way to make the players "whole" again post play.
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08-07-2014 , 06:05 PM
I remember playing at the Taj in AC and there were five 9s in the deck.
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08-07-2014 , 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Restaurantpro
We all wanted some sort of comp due to their mess up. Told us he was calling over his supervisor and after quite some time just told us basically tough ****. We called him back over and were able to get 1 hour no rake. Left a bad taste in my mouth because I'm 99% sure it was dealer error where the top card As got in to our deck. I feel like the Rio with all the money they make on WSOP could of game us a better comp for their mistake.
I'm sure it was a frustrating situation to play a hand for 2-3 minutes that ended up being voided (I hope), followed by 2-3 minutes of verifying that the deck was fouled.

What do you consider would have been more just compensation for your time than the roughly $20 per player in rake-free play you got?
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08-07-2014 , 09:06 PM
Whatever casino is allowing this to happen should have to pay both players as if they won the hand from the casino's funds.
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08-08-2014 , 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by iPUTnutsONtheTABLE
Whatever casino is allowing this to happen should have to pay both players as if they won the hand from the casino's funds.
This would just invite scammers and angle shooters to introduce cards to the deck. If the hand counts regardless, the players dont have anything to lose.
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08-08-2014 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by SenatorKevin
Time for automatic shufflers in the cash games at the Rio.... If the Venetian can do it for the deep stack events... Just saying.
There were numerous times in the Venetian $5k a month or so ago, when the dealers at my table decided not to use the shuffler and had to be corrected, and sometimes objected for varying reasons (just got to table or took over for another dealer or some bs). This was just at my table, maybe 5-6 times, and happened pretty deep in the tournament. I won't be playing there again for several reasons
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08-08-2014 , 03:25 PM
Come to think of it there was also a dealer with writing on his hands and forearms including symbols who claimed it was to remember his tables and the deck to use or something equally questionable. Obviously he was moving and touching his hands a lot, in what did appear to be a naturally random way. Still, he was fairly interrogated by a player at the table over the marks and a discussion broke out as to whether dealers should be allowed to have visible writing on their skin. I say definitely not. Live poker is crooked enough with enough liabilities as is
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08-08-2014 , 03:47 PM
Have read the thread past the first page, but I remember a few years ago, at a local casino, 3 dealers and a floorman were fired for one table having 2 Ks in a deck.. I think there were also some other reasons, like not checking the deck carefully enough when it was first spread. And the fact the problem wasn't found quickly enough (they change decks every 6 hours and the deck ran at least 4).

I wasn't there at the time, but while playing a PLO game shortly after with a lot of the regs there, I made a casually joke when the dealer spread the cards when the were introduced to the game about the deck having 2 Ks. Everyone got quiet and he quickly rifled the whole deck again making sure.

Needless to say, I felt like a jerk. I'm sure it was waaaaay more hectic at the rio, so I can see them letting dealer/floor slide on it. But if it's actually been happening as much as said in OP, I'd def be much more watchful. I would hope for a bigger and wiser contingent of floormen next year. These issues are preventable.
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08-08-2014 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by CardsNbooze
This would just invite scammers and angle shooters to introduce cards to the deck. If the hand counts regardless, the players dont have anything to lose.
I don't think so. It doesn't take much for someone to be exposed as a cheater and get excluded. In the state I live in, exclusion from a casino means you cannot play anywhere in the state. Same goes for dealers, who need licenses to be able to work in a casino. If a dealer is exposed as involved in any sort of cheating/shady behavior, his/her license will be revoked and he/she will never be permitted to obtain a license to work in a casino again.

I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 guys involved in the hand OP posted received $ or at least comps equivalent to the pot.

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Originally Posted by Maybe_memories
I made a casually joke when the dealer spread the cards when the were introduced to the game about the deck having 2 Ks. Everyone got quiet and he quickly rifled the whole deck again making sure.

Needless to say, I felt like a jerk.
To you, you're just making a simple joke. To the dealer, his job may very well be at stake if he doesn't catch something like that, especially when you make a comment like that.
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08-08-2014 , 05:49 PM
clearly the button should have been awarded the pot, since the players would all have an equal opportunity to get it back within a few hands!
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08-08-2014 , 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by iPUTnutsONtheTABLE
I wouldn't be surprised if the 2 guys involved in the hand OP posted received $ or at least comps equivalent to the pot.
Wherever you usually play, I would like to start playing there. I would love to see a casino so generous that you expect them to give out free money just because a deck is fouled.

(The owner of my local casino did "take care of" a player who lost a $1000+ jackpot because of a fouled deck--by law she couldn't actually pay him out of the player-supported jackpot--but I have no idea if she gave him the whole amount out of her pocket or what. In any case, that's a small family-run place, not a casino, certainly not one run by Caesar's.)
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08-08-2014 , 06:01 PM
I am fascinated by the idea that the players are entitled to expect the pot, though. For some reason, if the dealer puts out a river card that pairs the board and the flopped nut flush loses, no one considers it an injustice or expects the house to make it up. Seems to me that discovery of a fouled deck is a random misfortune that, though involving a mistake somewhere, doesn't systematically disadvantage a player any more than the river card. Just randomness.

I mean, if we could go back in time and make the erroneous A disappear, one of them wouldn't get the same hand. They might even get a low spade instead and go broke on the same flop. (Or all the cards might change their order....) So what right do they have to be aggrieved? 50-50 it was only the error that let them think they had a valid nut flush in the first place.

Discuss.
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