I think it's actually kind of touching. Have you ever seen a happier human being? And look at the big smile on the woman in the background. I know it's not being used in that context. But the picture still makes me smile.

agreed

the Curse of Ultimate Bet

sort of like the Sports Illustrated Cover Curse
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Really? What insight. Spare me your high school psychology. You're talking with you head up your butt. I suspect you've been burnt by a compulsive gambler and are ignoring the fact that you made a bad decision by putting yourself in that position. I've seen it too many times for me to put myself in that position. And almost everyone who has gambled has gambled over their heads at one time or another--not exactly inspired thinking.

Anyone who sends or lends anyone that kind of money is opening themselves to get burnt. Bookie or loan shark? Are you kidding? Bookies intentionally target compulsive gamblers because they lose bundles. Loan sharks charge obscene interest to people with problems. Neither can complain about getting burnt because that's their customer base. If they don't like it they should get out of the business--it's illegal anyway.

It's more important for the forum to understand not to put themselves it the position of getting burnt, than to worry about a certain individual. Most gamblers past their '20s already know that. Many of the posters here may not. I'd be more open to complaints if a well known gambler had pulled this stunt--as many behave like they're celebrities. Someone who is a moderator hardly rises to that level.

As for your observation, I recommend you pull you head out of your butt before passing judgment and making accusations about someone you don't know. You might stand a better chance of getting it right.

not to hijack this thread but I agree with you.

I'm sorry but all this "the collection process will start" is SERIOUSLY lol.

If Steve has no assets (which it looks like from the situation) Here's what happens, you sue him for $30K plus attorney fees, he'll lose. He then goes F it...declares bankruptcy and you get nothing and lose even more than the $30K cause of the headache + a few fees like filing.

OR

He does what all my renters do. Say F the judgement, never pay. Then I get frustrated after 1-2 years of trying to collect, so I 1099 them (you get a tax deduction aka like 1/3 the money) or you sell it to someone like JG wentworth and get 35ish cents on the dollar


I'm sorry, but I've sued MANY MANY MANY people, winning the case is CAKE! Collecting is a BIAAAAAAAATCH!

anyone else think this guy looks like olympian Johnathan Horton? comparison:

Rika -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX0fIi3H-es

Wow, this thread has reached a new level of dumb. So let me get this straight, you think because this has been brought into the open and CF is getting a dose of public humiliation he is less likely to pay? As opposed to if it was kept quiet and the only thing he had to deal with were a few pms off Admo? lol. As for this public outing of the truth being worth something, well you're sort of correct there - it is probably worth a few hundred K to the other 2+2er's that he was attempting to scam and would've tried to scam in the future until Admo posted about this situation.


Lol @ "taken the additional risk of hardening Mr. Ware against you" - I think it's fairly obvious that a guy willing to rob 30K from someone would never pay it back unless he was facing severe consequences.


Yeah Admo you should just forget about all this as, you know, as George says people will think you're a whiner if you keep trying to get the 30K that was robbed from you back.

30K > 'being known as a whiner' (and it isn't whining anyway, it's called not throwing in the towel like a pussy and letting some scumbag pr*ck take 30K of your money)

did anyone actually see proof that joe norton/UB threatened CF (the "reason" for the retraction thread)?

You don't know what you're talking about.

Money laundering is the practice of engaging in financial transactions in order "to conceal or disguise the nature, the location, the source, the ownership, or the control of the proceeds of specified unlawful activity"

This was a legal swap of assets.

Or maybe the guy didn't "rob" the money? Maybe he had/has every intention of repaying the money, as CF himself said in PMs to admo, a point with which admo does not appear to disagree? But the guy doesn't have two nickels right now? So the "severe consequences" he's facing do nothing but make him less likely to repay at any point in the future, should he eventually get the money? Is that such an unreasonable conclusion?

Here's a tip -- if you're basing your condescension on little more than armchair psychology, you might want to ratchet it back a bit.

Actually I'm basing my condescension on the facts. Maybe he did intend to pay back....but then again maybe he didn't, I dont put too much trust in a guy that gets himself into this situation and then handles it the way he has. A guy who's idea of clearing this debt was scamming other high stakes players. So what if he said he has intentions of paying the money back, have you ever had a decent sum of money owed to you by someone....that's the line you will hear from them over and over again, the money is coming, I just need more time - repeat to infinity. I've had to write off money cos of that bs in the past.
This had been going on weeks before Admo went public, he was being fed the 'need more time' over and over again and eventually he rightly decided enough was enough. The general consensus in this thread from what I can see now is that people dont expect admo to get the money back - and that is with all the pressure being applied, with no pressure he would 100% definately never pay it back - typical degen gamble behaviour.

You demonstrate a lack of understanding of your fellow human being. All the guy has to do is say "screw the debt," and turn off his computer--out of sight, out of mind. Then if Admo pursues he can move, change his phone number and get new email address. Finding him becomes a headache. He will have moved on with his life, maybe never to be seen in poker circles again. Or he can come back around in a few months or years and hardly any of us will recognize him. He can even participate in 2+2 under a different name and become your best buddy, lol.

And where did you get out of my posts that Admo shouldn't pursue his money? Of course he should. He should have done that immediately, or almost immediately. If it were me, I would pursue immediately, and then go public when I felt I'd exhausted my opportunities--partially to warn everyone else, partially to foil future attempts by him to scam anyone else, and partially to embarrass him. But one of the reasons would not be to increase my chances of getting my money, although even a 1% increase at that point would probably be doubling my chances. Public humiliation wouldn't increase the chances of getting paid any more than punching him in the nose. However, the threat of going public might have helped, possibly a lot.

Admo is entitled to pursue the way he wants. However, I think once he finds himself at this stage, a pound of flesh is all he can hope for. Unless of course, if Mr. Ware is a genuinely honorable person, in which case he would pay Admo back regardless.

As far as I can tell, he did exactly what you said you would do in this situation.

+1

I thought the exact same thing when I watched the games last night

No, he only threatened legal action. I would have taken legal action almost immediately. Especially since the situation smelled like a scam.

Sorry for getting the thread off track, but I totally agree with you.

Very disappointing that Steve has shown he's got no spine. He has entered a world of hurt. It says alot about his character when he didn't make amends and accepted a payment plan. Not seeing that it was the only way to go is pretty sickening and hugely -ev.

About the "don't trust em even if they're green": Steve had a pretty good rep so it could have happened to a lot of people. Who could have imagined he was able to destroy his rep over this?

I see a pattern of crazy ginger kids by the way. I have known 2 who have both shown disturbing signs of being crazy.

Good luck in getting your money back Admo. If it fails you can still have some fun destroying him for the years to come (can't wait till you launch the site).

Have you ever declared bankruptcy? It doesn't look like this:


It's a big, big deal. I keep going back to the fact that this kid went to Cornell, but assuming his parents are professionals of some sort, they'll talk some sense into him and explain that declaring bankruptcy at 24 will **** the next 10 years of his life. It's worth far more than $30,000. Far, far more.

I dont know man, 30k is a lot of money...

LOL thought process like this is the reason why conning people is so +EV

i retract my earlier statement.

Cornell does not owe me 5grand as previously said.

i shouldve checked things a bit more thoroughly.

That is all.

Steve's parents, who pay 30000 a year in property taxes, aren't going to let him ruin his financial future over a 30k debt.

Does he still go to Cornell? I know someone that is in the Phi Gamma Delta (FIJI) frat