I've implied in the previous thread that there are other, more significant, reasons why Admo will never see his money if he was to start a lawsuit.

You are missing the point.

cornell has not taken a break. I just sent him a PM telling him i'd send him a stake to see if he'd respond and he responded pretty quickly. He is still around and reading every word. I told him to go **** himself

for the record, he did not accept the stake. just thought that was the best way to get his attention and a response

mr. T asks 5%

I suppose that's one thing you could do with a stake.

nycballer is the illest

such a stake tease

nice play.

I am pretty sure they locked and closed the previous threads because they were 1000 posts long and only about five or ten of the posts were actually relavant which is the way this one looks like it will eventually get. I am not really sure why people that have nothing to do with the matter take it so personal and use it as a reason to go on and on about things that have nothing to do with the subject and then get in a war of posts about who is right and who is wrong.

Finally IrishladChris got banned, thank you mods. I did not put him on ignore because I was wondering how long it would take.

GL Admo in getting this resolved.

Partly because you're a member.

Actiondan, it is none of my business, but please don't do this. Steve needs to take responsibility for his own actions and get himself out of this mess. It seems to me like it is a well-needed lesson he needs to stop him becoming even more of a degen and a worse human being.

AND, very importantly, he is not the only one who would be responsible for your refund, if you got it. Nate, Trambo and many others put as much if not more work into the whole UB fraud. Are you going to reward all of them too? Since they didn't turn out to be scammers aren't they more deserving?

Of course, if Admo says Fk it, I'll take yr money, then w/e, but just mho.

sick burn. someone call the fire department.

I am the best lawyer in the history of 2p2, indeed of poker, and my answer is no.

saying Steve is gonna pay it back, is like saying the Canadian health care system is bad.

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I couldn't construct a worse simile if I tried.

Why 1:1 with no benefit?

(1) It was a form of money laundering...
Moving 30K from offshore casino to US bank.. via a 3rd party.

"Thus, the UIGEA prohibits online gambling sites from performing transactions with American financial institutions."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_poker

(2) It was a gamble... it was action.

The whole transaction was shady at both ends...
That's why Law Enforcement or the US Courts will never see this... ever.

[QUOTE=JoeAbrams;5562948]Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?
And for the record, despite what the sheep mentality at 2p2 may say, you are not awesome, but ldo you know that.


Hopefully you get your money back but when you can so carelessly toss away $30k to some guy on the Internet because his name happens to be in green, it's not really a big surprise that you got scammed.[/QUOTE]

this seems like a fairly accurate summary of what happened

Any true gambler, bookmaker or loan shark who has been involved in a loan or debt gone bad can tell from these two paragraphs that you have in fact gambled over your head and have written off debts to people because you manufactured reasons for them to be wrong in the situation. Your inclination to not understand how important it was for this forum to understand the gravity of the situation, as well as your willingness to accept the truth being told as payment...is appalling.

Agree with the p-bob. Please no more is this you steven jokes. Please.

Not sure why grown men would think this is even remotely funny.


Maybe I'm being a nit....but cmon.

Admo I'm another one of many thousands of 2+2ers who's followed the situation and I just want to say that I wish you the best in recovering your money. No matter how much you win or how much you own, $30,000 is a lot of money. From your posts I believe that you've acted totally decently and this loser should at least have the guts to set up a payment plan with you. Sure, we know that he's not the great player some thought of him to be, and that he's now broke. But any Joe Blow who's not physically disabled can get a low-paying job and conjure up a few hundred a month in savings at the very least. That, over a year, is a few grand that he can at least send your way. While that doesn't make you happy, I believe that is all you are looking for -- a genuine attempt from Steven Ware to send back at least some of the money he owes you.

Instead he has chosen the path of being a fugitive... from the poker world both in real life and online, and soon from legal authorities. That is the most stupid choice he can make.

BTW nice job on the website and the plan to make it public if he doesn't negotiate a payment plan with you... some of us would've gone a lot harder on him, but still the path you've chosen is as hard as possible while not putting yourself in legal limbo... great job.

gotta say somewhat ironic Steve recovered millions for people on the UB scandal (would that have happened otherwise?) and now his hide is being peeled for .001 percent of that.

trambopoline and I think dlpnyc21 did a lot of the legwork. Maybe others. CF no doubt put a lot of time into writing about it but if you look thru the HSNL thread Trambo is a constant there.

I think we need to stop putting the ginger on a pedestal a bit.