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Old 08-11-2008, 02:11 PM   #1
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2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Steve Ware Update:

No news, and there probably won't be for a while. Steve has broken communication. In case he is truly in a dangerous mental state I'm still going to give him a few more days to get himself together before I begin the collection process.

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What happens next? Will StevenWareIsaThief.com launch?

This is entirely up to Steve. In the first week after he stole from me I laid out a road map telling him exactly what's going to happen. He knows what's coming if he doesn't attempt to work out repayment. I have promised him that I will eventually do everything that I said.

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I want to send Steven a stake to help pay you back. Is that OK?

Somebody not named Steve Ware sent me this question in a PM. I think it's a fantastically bad idea. The odds of Steve running your stake (any stake) into the ground are almost 100%. Everything that people have PM'd me about Steve's play over the summer indicate that he has a 'big score' mentality and zero bankroll management. Not to pile on Steve's poker ability because I've never played a hand with him, but a previous screenshot shows his online ROI at -39%. Someone familiar with him told me that found a way to blow $7K in an uncapped 1-2 game at Cornell. And he clearly lied to his backers about his overall poker numbers, omitting losses others witnessed firsthand. So-- while I appreciate the sentiment of wanting to help out, you should probably not stake Steve. It's my mistake and I should deal with the consequences of my actions.

With that said, if anyone wants to buy any portion of his debt at 1:1, I'm obviously selling, providing you won't go kneecapping to collect.

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Why did you send first to Steve Ware?

Monumental lapse in judgement? I've sent first exactly twice, the only other time being with Jman (live) who I liked and trusted within hours of meeting him. Steve and I had worked together on 2+2 before in a sting operation involving a serial scammer. People try to scam me in the p2p threads often and I usually will string them along for their info before handing everything off to Mike Haven and Stars/FTP security departments. After he became mod, Steve was especially vigilant in following up re: one scammer I was stringing along, and he would PM me every day with offers of help or to ask if I wanted the guy banned yet. He seemed at the time to spend a lot of time fighting against scammers in the HSNL transfer thread.

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Are you afraid of Steve having your account number?

No. Steve is well-versed in ACH fraud and would have ripped me by now if he intended to.


Note: In post 380 of this thread, Steven says that Admo was paid $30k in August. Also worth noting, is that Admo did not "start" this thread. It was separated from a previous thread that had been created regarding the situation.

Last edited by Kevmath; 09-18-2008 at 12:06 PM. Reason: added notes, stating that Admo was repaid $30k, plus that Admo did not start this particular thread.
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part deuce

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Steve Ware Update:

In case he is truly in a dangerous mental state I'm still going to give him a few more days to get himself together before I begin the collection process.
I ripped on you before about also being a bit of a degen for wanting to set up props about this situation. However from the above and the other post about calling the Suicide Hotline/ cops etc, I have to say you are being a really really good guy about all of this. I sincerely hope you get your money back.
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Old 08-11-2008, 02:58 PM   #3
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:02 PM   #4
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Because Steve will read this: I didn't start this new thread. The OP of this thread was posted in the old thread and got moved here later by a mod.

Clarifying because Steve already thinks that I care more about attention whoring and ruining him than getting repaid.

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Old 08-11-2008, 03:03 PM   #5
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

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I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
Because people are stupid / kind. There were people in the other thread offering to just give money because they felt bad for both of them.

FWIW, I don't think the debt is even worth $0.05/$1.

In any case good luck to OP.
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:04 PM   #6
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I might be missing something but why would someone buy a degen's debt at 1:1?
the same reason they would stake a degen. they are crazy?
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:06 PM   #7
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?
And for the record, despite what the sheep mentality at 2p2 may say, you are not awesome, but ldo you know that.


Hopefully you get your money back but when you can so carelessly toss away $30k to some guy on the Internet because his name happens to be in green, it's not really a big surprise that you got scammed.
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:08 PM   #8
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

You do seem like a good guy and I've always enjoyed your posts.

Unfortunately, there is close to a 0% chance you will receive this money from steve anytime soon. I'm assuming he's burned all his bridges and will really have no way to pay you back. You really need to start the collection process immediately, and hope that you can get a judgment against him. From there, you just have to hope he gets a job so you can collect through the court system.

Everyday in every casino in the real/ virtual world people set out to gamble with just their "extra spending money". They start losing and then inevitably lose their grocery, rent, and college fund money. Steve Ware is just another one of those people.

There are a lot of compulsive gamblers out there masquerading around as "professional poker players".
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Beats me.
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

"Steve is well-versed in ACH fraud "

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:49 PM   #11
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Good luck with this mate. I think you've approached this as well as you possibly could and hopefully you get your money back somewhere down the line.

Sidenote: 500th post yay!
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Old 08-11-2008, 03:55 PM   #12
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

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Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?

Some people were actually taking up the idea of contributing/donating to Steve for what he did for the UB stuff or because they felt bad for him, etc.
Buying up part of the debt and/or giving money to admo is essentially the same as giving it to Steve (except that you ensure that the part you are donating actually goes to clearing the debt...and not to fund some sort of staking "try to run it up to $30k" type scheme).
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

I really don't understand all this. I go away on vacation and leave when Cornell Fiji was the hero all of us wanted to be. He was in the middle of busting a huge scammer, and was working real hard to help bring down UB.

I come back, and he is a former mod and a scammer himself? Wow. I find this all hard to buy.
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Re: 2+2 ex-mod cornell fiji (Steven Ware) stole 30k from Admo part drei

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Why would anyone want to buy his debt at 1:1?
And for the record, despite what the sheep mentality at 2p2 may say, you are not awesome, but ldo you know that.


Hopefully you get your money back but when you can so carelessly toss away $30k to some guy on the Internet because his name happens to be in green, it's not really a big surprise that you got scammed.
Have you been paying attention to this at all?
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Old 08-11-2008, 04:19 PM   #15
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Steven Ware? More like Leavin Scared imo.
This scathing assassination on his character will be what drives him over the edge.

also minor lol
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