Open Side Menu Go to the Top
Register
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK

10-28-2012 , 09:00 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by AuroythmiX
If you look at the traffic on poker************** you will see Zygna has almost 450% as many players playing for free compared to Pokerstars.

If they convert at the same rate of players who spend real money to buy fake chips (approx 2%), they will be as big in real money player terms as Party, Ipoker, or Ongame.

Very exciting news.

This & More!
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 09:20 AM
A huge % of the FB players would be kids. As they get older and may consider playing online poker for real money anything associated with Zynga is likely to be a first port of call for a fairly significant number of people.

Suggestions of your average fb player not depositing real money is taking a horribly short-term view of things. 3yr, 5yrs down the track, this may well pay off in a big way for both the companies and players.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 04:46 PM
The full story is linked below.

Sounds like Zynga was in talks with bwin to bring poker back to the US market. Interesting to see how this plays out...

From TechCrunch: http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/28/ano...eak-documents/
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 05:23 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PynkSok
The full story is linked below.

Sounds like Zynga was in talks with bwin to bring poker back to the US market. Interesting to see how this plays out...

From TechCrunch: http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/28/ano...eak-documents/
Why are they targeting Zynga for acting like almost every other corporation does? While they are at it why are they not hot on the heels of the whole ***** planet?
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnCleese
Why are they targeting Zynga for acting like almost every other corporation does? While they are at it why are they not hot on the heels of the whole ***** planet?
That's Anonymous. It's not like they're a high powered group of rational people making sound group decisions and a clear outline of what does and doesn't attract their ire.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 05:42 PM
Zynga has shown some questional business ethics, releasing bad information during an Apple press conference so all the tech sites are focusing on that and it gets less attention, forcing employees to shut the **** up about everything basicly, etc.

Anyway, Anonymous doesn't hold meetings about who they are going to target or whatever, could be a huge amount of reasons why they are targetting Zynga specifically.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 06:12 PM
Some not so great news regarding.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 06:19 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Antster2
Some not so great news regarding.
Try reading up just 1 post
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 07:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tirppa
I had to get a password reset for my party account just because of this

Here's hoping they will be able to expand to other countries soon
Im confused, is it already available? Can someone provide cliffs on articles/when its releasing?

thanks
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 09:15 PM
so when will the Zynga players start playing on the Party network??
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-28-2012 , 11:30 PM
Anyone know how soft/hard the 3/6 - 10/20 NL games are on Party at the moment?
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-29-2012 , 12:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SumNewb
There it is - their stock has hit the floor. They wouldn't use up close to 20% of their cash if they didn't expect to turn a profit soon.

Time to start buying - $2.31 a share right now. I'm gonna bump this in a year when its $20+.
Their stock has actually gone below the floor: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,5240403.story Zynga's market worth is less than the sum of the company's assets. Most investors literally don't think they're worth the floor the company walks on! I'm fairly disappointed since it wasn't too long ago I was extremely hopeful that Zynga might be getting into the game looking to start to turn internet poker around. Instead it turns out that Zynga is hoping internet poker can turn them around - which isn't going to happen.

Be wary of putting much faith into the reason for them purchasing their own stock. It might be that they believe their company is undervalued but it could just as well be an attempt at damage control and massaging their numbers. For instance, share buyback reduces assets and can be used to artificially manipulate the financials of their earnings/return ratios. It's up to you pick which is which. I wouldn't touch their stock.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-29-2012 , 02:06 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackal69
Im confused, is it already available? Can someone provide cliffs on articles/when its releasing?

thanks
Quote:
Originally Posted by HollywoodHogan
so when will the Zynga players start playing on the Party network??
Amazing
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
10-29-2012 , 03:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Do it Right
Their stock has actually gone below the floor: http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,5240403.story Zynga's market worth is less than the sum of the company's assets. Most investors literally don't think they're worth the floor the company walks on!
The reason they are worth less than cash + real estate is because investors think they're going to burn through all of that paying salaries etc and never turn a profit. Which means if they turn a profit the stock will skyrocket.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-01-2012 , 09:08 AM
I saw this article on Bloomberg:

http://mobile.bloomberg.com/news/201...tml?cmpid=yhoo

One or two things I thought interesting:

"Mobile gambling will grow to $100 billion worldwide by 2017, driven by surge in social-website gambling and legalization in key U.S. states, Juniper Research estimated in May."

And:

"Online gamblers spend about $75 to $100 a month, according to Betable’s Griffin."

Seems like other horses are entering the race for the online gambling market. Thoughts?
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-01-2012 , 02:02 PM
Did Party remove all games above 1knl/plo and 30/60 limit?
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-01-2012 , 02:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dappadan777
Did Party remove all games above 1knl/plo and 30/60 limit?
A couple of months back, yes.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-01-2012 , 02:45 PM
Don't know if this story has been posted in this thread already...

http://pokerfuse.com/features/editor...numbers-26-10/

They estimate there are only on average 8000 UK adult Zynga Poker users online at one time, and with an optimistic conversion and maintenance rate of 5%, this will only result in a 10-15% increase in traffic for Party Poker.

Having said that, I think people underestimate how much of Facebook is about thinly veiled self promotion and while most play money players might not have been keen to try existing real money poker sites, if they have the ability to selectively choose to post a big 'real money' winning pot or winning day in their Facebook news feed, I think will be a huge USP. (Causing many to play not only for real money but at stakes higher than they can afford while gambling it up trying to create an 'impressive pot'.)
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-02-2012 , 08:42 AM
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-02-2012 , 11:50 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bbfg
Zynga has shown some questional business ethics, releasing bad information during an Apple press conference so all the tech sites are focusing on that and it gets less attention, forcing employees to shut the **** up about everything basicly, etc.
Interesting. Because the news on Zynga on that exact day (24th Oct.) on BBC wasn't this story but the below:

Quote:
Games developer Zynga has announced plans to shed 5% of its workforce.

In an email to staff, founder Mark Pincus said the company would close its Boston studio and consider closing studios in the UK and Japan.
Job cuts announced at Zynga

To me it doesn't make sense to reduce your workforce if you're anticipating big growth???

gl to them breaking into UK market - I expect their conversion rate will be alot lower than they expect but the games on Party will be fishier for a while. From what I've seen free2play games are almost a different game from normal micro cash games so will be a bit of a shock for those players.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-03-2012 , 12:09 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by noble007
Don't know if this story has been posted in this thread already...

http://pokerfuse.com/features/editor...numbers-26-10/

They estimate there are only on average 8000 UK adult Zynga Poker users online at one time, and with an optimistic conversion and maintenance rate of 5%, this will only result in a 10-15% increase in traffic for Party Poker.
That article is not well founded. It seems to me that when writing it Hood went in with his own assumption about the impact of Zynga and tried to work the numbers to support that rather than objectively considering all factors and seeing what the numbers themselves work out to.

For instance every single assumption he makes is based at deflating the impact of Zynga without considering even very fundamental factors that work in the opposite direction. As an example of that, he directly compares raw data from PokerScout without considering how those figures are measured. PokerScout measures one seat = one player so a person 24 tabling = 24 players. On Zynga multitabling is rare and the software is clearly not designed with it in mind. So he ends up comparing individual 'players' on Zynga vs all seats occupied on the other sites. Of course there's no way to know exactly what percent of Zynga players who currently 1 table would end up playing more than 1 table on software designed for it, but it's certainly greater than 0 and lack of concrete information didn't stop him from speculating in the other direction.

To see how big this one issue could be here are some specific numbers: http://www.pokerstarsblog.com/2009/p...nt-036766.html In March 2009, Stars celebrated signing up their 20millionth account. That doesn't mean 20million real money players or even 20 million players - it just means somebody or something created some account for the 20millionth time. You'd have to speculate about how much the site has grown since then - keeping in mind they reached 20million only after many years including all of the poker boom. Zynga, on the other hand, currently has more than 33million active unique players playing on their software every month, down from 40million a month ago.

When you start comparing the people figures, the numbers are staggering for Zynga compared to the current sites. Ironically I also think the long term impact of Zynga will be nominal, but for very different reasons. One sided 'research' is just a bit of a pet peeve of mine.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-03-2012 , 06:05 AM
Eh, out of the thousands of people who have read that article, mostly from those in the industry, you are the only one to be so dismissive. I have no horse in the race, and as an independent journalist having written hundreds of articles with no bias, you are the one making the spurious presumptions that I "went in with [my]own assumptions." It's just weird for you to believe I have a "side" when it comes to Zynga joining bwin.party.

I'm happy to debate the choice of data and methodology if you like. I'd say your own thoughts seem to require much more leaps than mine. Your hypothesise that people 1-table on Zynga because the software doesn't support it well and will transform into real money multi-tablers. I don't agree with this; the reason why i ignored this factor is that i think it will have zero affect on the data. On an original draft I did spell this out but it was chopped in the editing for sake of brevity.

This is a player pool of play money recreational players offered real money poker. Software better designed for multi-tabling at Party is not going to change a thing, in my opinion. Also, multi-tabling in Zynga is actually pretty good up to 3-4 tables, it's single-window but quick switching (although i haven't tested it in a while). Perhaps in your own data assumptions you could factor this in 1.1x or 1.2x but the effect will be minimal for sure.

Then to the choice of data to compare. I used PokerScouts, you suggest using active accounts is better. I disagree. Firstly, someone "active" will be very different on a free-play facebook site than a "real money site", and there is no strict definition for what is "active" anyway so the numbers aren't comparable. AppData.com that you quote, for example, is I believe "played for at least 30 minutes in a month," and Party's could be, say "logged into the client with an active balance." PokerScout active player numbers are, however, directly comparable.

Your methodology also uses some data that is three years old, and "You'd have to speculate about how much the site has grown since then," This seems like a much bigger leap of faith compared to using data that was accurate yesterday. I didn't pick using active PokerScout data to fit my argument, I used it because I think it was the best way to compare it, and I laid out why pretty clearly in the article.

So i'm all for debating the figures here if you like. Why don't you come up with your own assumptions? I'm sure people would be interested to read them.

But i'm not so interested in any discussion where you clearly insinuate that I lack any balance or credibility. You clearly poison the well with off-handed comments about my own integrity (or as you would write, "integrity"). Seems completely uncalled for, as well as simply inaccurate.

Last edited by Hood; 11-03-2012 at 06:19 AM.
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-03-2012 , 06:46 AM
Sorry I didn't go through this thread. So this merger will increase the partypoker player pool and will be available for anybody who can play on pp?
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
11-03-2012 , 02:44 PM
Imagine if you could access it through FB too
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote
12-18-2012 , 05:05 PM
"Zynga Applies for Online Gaming License in Nevada"

http://www.onlinepokernews.org/poker...in-nevada/3558

Says this can take up to 18 months.

Baby steps...
Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK Quote

      
m