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Old 10-24-2012, 04:28 PM   #1
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Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/zyn...-uk-2012-10-24

I know there are Zynga threads already, but I think this is momentous enough to merit its own.

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Old 10-24-2012, 04:30 PM   #2
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time to look into moving to the UK for online poker....
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Could be pretty huge for poker...
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BTW Zyngas shares have dropped from $10 to $2.30.


On the verge of busto ville i posted a link to an article earlier. The facebook games arent making much coin these days.
Doesn't matter too much that they're messing up other areas of their business - people don't look at Zynga's financial reports before signing up to play their games. Recreational players know Zynga so it offers a big opportunity for lots of new signups into the poker world. That is if it is advertised well, and with Bwin there is a very high chance that they'll nail the advertising, hopefully also via Facebook.
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cant wait for zynga mttsw
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Imagine the average level of play of facebook gamers... If this goes trough it will be printing money first weeks.
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so should I pounce on some Zynga stocks right now?
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so should I pounce on some Zynga stocks right now?
I did this at around 10 pts
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time to look into moving to the UK for online poker....
Why? You don't have to live in the UK. Zynga players in the UK will be offered real money poker on PartyGaming. Anyone on PartyPoker.com (i.e. most of the world minus the US, Spain, Italy and France) will play with these Zyngaers.
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so should I pounce on some Zynga stocks right now?
Yeah because the market sure reacts slow to global press releases.
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I did this at around 10 pts
So did someone I know, real sick...
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Yeah because the market sure reacts slow to global press releases.
I'm a stock n00b so I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but I'm guessing you are?
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This could be beyond huge.
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with stars already available, FT set to return, not sure how great this could be, hopefully huge, it has the potential, jsut hope things are done right.
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I'm a stock n00b so I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not but I'm guessing you are?
Sorry yes, I was being sarcastic. By the time marketwire.com has put out PR and it has propegated to 2+2, I believe the market will have already responded appropriately.
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Sorry yes, I was being sarcastic. By the time marketwire.com has put out PR and it has propegated to 2+2, I believe the market will have already responded appropriately.
Your right-- on the after market closes bid is 2.43.
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Why? You don't have to live in the UK. Zynga players in the UK will be offered real money poker on PartyGaming. Anyone on PartyPoker.com (i.e. most of the world minus the US, Spain, Italy and France) will play with these Zyngaers.
u sure about this? cuz even bwin players aren't in the same player pool as party poker at the moment, and that merger happened over a year ago.
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u sure about this? cuz even bwin players aren't in the same player pool as party poker at the moment, and that merger happened over a year ago.
Will be in the next 8 weeks.
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maybe im missing something but how is this suppose to be huge. Zynga was a play money poker program on FB. Keyword here is Play Money im pretty sure if people wanted to play for real money they would play on a real money website. And since they're partnering with Bwin.party i would assume they would use Bwin.party software instead of their own.
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Do you guys honestly think there will be a correlation between facebook and real money poker? Will they actually be aloud to just have it so you can log into your fb account, and play some real money poker? Seems to good to be true..
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maybe im missing something but how is this suppose to be huge. Zynga was a play money poker program on FB. Keyword here is Play Money im pretty sure if people wanted to play for real money they would play on a real money website. And since they're partnering with Bwin.party i would assume they would use Bwin.party software instead of their own.
Just to set the record straight Zygna poker the most liked facebook page of all time...Zygna poker...30 million+ freeplay users a month...The advertising power and a conversion rate is a conversion rate. And btw playmoney players use real money to buy playchips and it created a market in which people have methods of buying & selling playchips and a close friend of mine made a living being one of the top people in doing this making thousands a month.
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Do you guys honestly think there will be a correlation between facebook and real money poker? Will they actually be aloud to just have it so you can log into your fb account, and play some real money poker? Seems to good to be true..
If 1% of the people that have played poker on Facebook deposit 500$ a year on this it will already be huge. I'm not sure wether this will be the case, but it is worthy the gamble. Also Zynga needs to diversify heavily anyway, they are going through the phase every flash game developper goes through, succesful at first and then they run out of good ideas and can't create a turnover anymore.
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This is probably gonna be good, but not OMGHEADASPLODE good. It would be amazing if the fish could login to FB and play real money games, but this wont happen.
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i still don't see how you expect 30mil FB likes will translate into more people spending real money to play poker. I think might give a slight image boost to bwin.party image and thats it.
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If 1% of the people that have played poker on Facebook deposit 500$ a year on this it will already be huge. I'm not sure wether this will be the case, but it is worthy the gamble. Also Zynga needs to diversify heavily anyway, they are going through the phase every flash game developper goes through, succesful at first and then they run out of good ideas and can't create a turnover anymore.
I just dont think the play money players on facebook will even know about this real money partnership that zynga is getting into. I doubt facebook would allow zynga to advertise for their real money games and I highly doubt facebook would allow them to offer real money games directly on the facebook website.
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i still don't see how you expect 30mil FB likes will translate into more people spending real money to play poker. I think might give a slight image boost to bwin.party image and thats it.
It is a lot different if you can easily deposit through FB (not sure if this will actually happen as poster above eluded to) vs. seeking out a third party site to deposit on.

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This is probably gonna be good, but not OMGHEADASPLODE good. It would be amazing if the fish could login to FB and play real money games, but this wont happen.
wait, so uk players cant just log in put money into zyna/party software that's already on facebook when this happens?

they hav to goto completely different page to signup/download software etc if they want to play for real money?


really hope its the former, otherwise i don't think its that big of a deal since they will just continue to play for play money on facebook.
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i still don't see how you expect 30mil FB likes will translate into more people spending real money to play poker. I think might give a slight image boost to bwin.party image and thats it.
30 million facebook likes? It's more than double that! More likes than facebook's facebook page itself haha. It will help grow the player base and give light of the new developments...Power of advertising.
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i still don't see how the casual online play money will suddenly develop a love for online real money poker. Just doesn't make sense.....if you guys wanna risk buying stock in Zynga go right ahead but i think its fools gold to think that somehow Zynga will change the market.
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i still don't see how the casual online play money will suddenly develop a love for online real money poker. Just doesn't make sense.....
This is very, very commonly debated in the industry right now. To what extent will "social gamers" convert to real money gamers? Some are just as skeptical as you and believe it to be a mirage. After all, it can be shown that Zynga players and RMG players are just very different kinds of consumers.

Others insist that, with a little bit of proper marketing - well, not to mention the employment of their consulting services - substantial profits can be reaped once something like Zynga goes live with RMG.

I think a much more moderate and accurate view is that, you don't really want to place a lot of hope on Zynga becoming this ocean of RMG action overnight, but what you want to do, is look at some of the lessons and examples that can be learned from social gaming like Zynga, and then try to adapt those to your own RMG system in order to enhance things like marketing, loyalty, etc.

I guess that, while different in many respects, it's not too dissimilar a study of how play money gamers (like play money on Stars, for instance) can convert to real money themselves. There are probably a lot of habitual play money gamers on Stars that are perfectly aware there's an RMG alternative, but just don't want to or don't care. I've even heard someone recently say "don't confuse social gaming with free-to-play," or something like that. Apparently, they're worlds apart as well!
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I just dont think the play money players on facebook will even know about this real money partnership that zynga is getting into. I doubt facebook would allow zynga to advertise for their real money games and I highly doubt facebook would allow them to offer real money games directly on the facebook website.
As far as advertising goes, I don't see this will be a problem. I get tonnes of betting websites come up as advertisements down the right hand side of my Facebook homepage. I don't think Facebook see gambling advertising as an issue.
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As far as advertising goes, I don't see this will be a problem. I get tonnes of betting websites come up as advertisements down the right hand side of my Facebook homepage. I don't think Facebook see gambling advertising as an issue.
No it doesnt, i think allowing a platform for gambling directly through fb is against the TOS, though.
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i still don't see how you expect 30mil FB likes will translate into more people spending real money to play poker. I think might give a slight image boost to bwin.party image and thats it.
Have you ever done advertising on FB?
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Whether Real money zynga is the gravy train many are anticipating will be interesting. I'll laugh if its just full of optimistic 2+2 regs sitting there waiting for the fish to turn up and is the toughest game online.
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WOW. zynga real money is the nuts. i wish i could just up and move to the UK this will be a goldmine
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i still don't see how the casual online play money will suddenly develop a love for online real money poker. Just doesn't make sense.....if you guys wanna risk buying stock in Zynga go right ahead but i think its fools gold to think that somehow Zynga will change the market.
I can't speak for the UK, but if this were to happen in the US it would be very huge. Think of all the casual players who have gave up on online poker when Party left. Now, think about the people who gave up on online poker after Stars and FTP left.... You see where this is going? Most of the people who still play in the US are decent at worst and do thing to improve. Not to say they all are, but the majority are people who go out of their way to play poker so naturally they are better players. I know many people who are too scared to play on Merge, Lock, Bovada etc for obvious reasons and now just play on Zynga so they can get their "poker fix" in. These same people would still play for real money given a legit place to play.

1% of all the traffic their play money site would make them about as big as Stars if not bigger. That is HUGE, especially given the monopoly that Stars/FTP have created.
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Congrats to U.K. players on this. Does anyone have any idea how many UK players there currently are on Zynga Poker? Any idea on what type of conversion rate they might be able to get to move to real money gaming (1%, 5%, 10%)? Even if the number is relatively small it would seem that the number of casual players on PartyPoker/Zynga would increase by a fairly substantial amount.
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No it doesnt, i think allowing a platform for gambling directly through fb is against the TOS, though.
As far as application TOS go, this is what Facebook says ;

'Permission from Facebook: You must not promote, or provide content referencing, facilitating, or containing online gambling, online real money games of skill or online lotteries without our written permission.'

From this, I assume it is not out of question with Facebook's consent.

EDIT :

A further look into things and infact we all seem to have overlooked the fact Facebook already has a real-money gambling app in full operation. 'Bingo Friendzy'.

It is currently only accessible to UK members.

Interview from a Facebook representative ;

"Real money gaming is a popular and well-regulated activity in the UK, and we are allowing a partner to offer their games to adult users on the Facebook platform in a safe and controlled manner," she told the BBC.

Facebook intends to use age-gating technology to ensure under-18s and "vulnerable people" are unable to access the app.

The social network typically takes a 30% cut of transactions on its network



Real-money poker through Facebook is very much a real possibility and with the latest movements looks more than likely to happen.

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Its funny. Everyone on 2+2 wants online poker "back" yet is so pessimistic and negative about it coming back.
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Its funny. Everyone on 2+2 wants online poker "back" yet is so pessimistic and negative about it coming back.
Mainly just bitter americans.....
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Dunno why people assume that Zynga is going to full of fish donating you their cash. 99.99% of people who play on Zynga for fun will never actually deposit a penny of real money.
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Dunno why people assume that Zynga is going to full of fish donating you their cash. 99.99% of people who play on Zynga for fun will never actually deposit a penny of real money.
How thin was there air you pulled this 99.9% figure from? Was it 32% O2? In the USA there are many people who won't play on any of the sites they can still play on and use Zynga as something to do. Many of these casual players would put money on a real site, if they had a legit one to play on.
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How thin was there air you pulled this 99.9% figure from? Was it 32% O2? In the USA there are many people who won't play on any of the sites they can still play on and use Zynga as something to do. Many of these casual players would put money on a real site, if they had a legit one to play on.
Seriously...

Most of my friends who were casual players have no idea what the current state of affairs are in the US. They just know they can't play on Stars/Party/Full Tilt so they gave up and just assume there aren't other options.

On the other hand, everyone has a FB and most people are aware of Zynga (and if they're not, advertising). If this became an option in the US, there's no way "99.99%" of people wouldn't put any money on.
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How are you people saying 0% of the players would. They obv like poker. Like everyone said, even if 0.5% or 1% signed up, thats still a massive player pool. Have you ever heard of an upsell? Most convert more than 1%. Heard of free trials? Those normally convert to real money consumers buying products far more than 1%. I don't even understand the stupid comments going on here.

Not saying this will workout the way it is shown to be, just saying if the deal actually goes through and they are allowed to email all their players for signup to a real money site, there is no way they will not get signups.
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Old 10-25-2012, 12:36 AM   #49
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Re: Zynga Partners With bwin.party to Launch Real Money Games in the UK

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I think this will be good, and think that if a second poker boom were ever to exist, social network+ gambling= the vehicle.
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Old 10-25-2012, 02:49 AM   #50
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It's in zynga interest to get conversion ratels high as poss so they will push it strongly offer free 50$ for play money mtt wins things like that so people can have a taste for themselves and hopefully deposit there own money
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