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10-24-2015 , 08:22 PM
Kanu's top 5 seems pretty close, although some regs are just less bothered playing low-EV reg lineups, especially at bad hours or if they have good action at lower stakes.

In terms of pure skill, I would definitely construct that list differently, but Kanu would obviously know better.

The second tier list is also about right when it comes to getting tables, but a big factor here is having the bankroll to play these games.

Some of those second tier guys should definitely not be in that list, at least skill wise.
And a couple of guys should be added; e.g. tochminator.
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10-24-2015 , 10:40 PM
Kanu is such a classy guy. The way he handles himself is in such contrast to the arrogant displayed by so many people on here, very nice to see. Keep on crushing Alex.
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10-25-2015 , 04:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Mixgrill
Kanu's top 5 seems pretty close, although some regs are just less bothered playing low-EV reg lineups, especially at bad hours or if they have good action at lower stakes.

In terms of pure skill, I would definitely construct that list differently, but Kanu would obviously know better.

The second tier list is also about right when it comes to getting tables, but a big factor here is having the bankroll to play these games.

Some of those second tier guys should definitely not be in that list, at least skill wise.
And a couple of guys should be added; e.g. tochminator.
Hi mixgrill

What stakes do you/have you played?

Reason I ask because I've been approaching the same issue in a different way. In sports betting (and at this minute horse racing) how do you accurately price each runner without using other people's opinion as a guide.

So how can you list the top players in a rank of skill (in this case) without a) being better than them or b) having accurate numbers for them (longterm w/r, frequencies across each street etc)?
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10-25-2015 , 04:53 AM
He's played quite a lot of 5k
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10-25-2015 , 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Kangal_
He's played quite a lot of 5k
Is his identity known?

Am hoping for a useful answer from him but seeing as you mentioned the qualifier that he's played 5k. I mean Guy and durrr play HIGH stakes NLHE yet nobody considers them to be 'great' players

What qualifies him/anybody to rank skill level of players just from observation?
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10-25-2015 , 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Kangal_

And no one is saying that he is qualified to rank players, it's an NVG thread. Take everything with a big pinch of salt.
Ok, I hear you however...

I'd like to be able to rank top players in order of skill, and need help to do this.

In this case, is it just experience (that gives him the ability)? Or would you consider him completely out of his depth doing this (even in nvg )?
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10-25-2015 , 06:12 AM
He's probably the person who's posted in this thread (outside of Kanu) with the closest to complete information with regards to who is good, and what makes them good.

Whether or not that makes him enough of a subject matter expert to really rate players 1-10 from an ability perspective, without being results oriented, is another matter.

Unless you're writing a thesis on 6-max 5kNL, then it's probably pretty irrelevant anyway.
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10-25-2015 , 06:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Kangal_
Unless you're writing a thesis on 6-max 5kNL, then it's probably pretty irrelevant anyway.
That's what I've been alluding to in the past couple of posts.

I'd like to be able to rank poker players or be able to rank horses in a given event, and accurately set the correct price for the probability that they will win the race over a large number of trials.

Whether that involves being a successful poker player or sports bettor is a separate issue.

From this brief conversation, are we saying it's solely time/experience (and in some ways, application) which give kanu/mixgrill the ability to offer useful opinions on topic?
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10-25-2015 , 09:06 AM
Great to get insight from Kanu on this although his criteria for best 6max reg being so closely related to "table-holders" seems inaccurate in my experience. Willingness to sit anyone is much more a reflection of HU skill and confidence than 6max skills. I know at lower levels that for sure some % of the best 6max players are the table-holders/starters but a much larger % of the best 6max exponents never start games.
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10-25-2015 , 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by salesbeast
I think the best 6max players are found at the 25/50 level and not just the super high stakes where deals are made...just my 2 cents.
Dont they say 500 zoom is the toughest game in the world (that runs regularly)?

I wonder how Kanu or similar level player would rate the quality of play there? (How would the rake level fit into this framework?)
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10-25-2015 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MilkMan
Great to get insight from Kanu on this although his criteria for best 6max reg being so closely related to "table-holders" seems inaccurate in my experience. Willingness to sit anyone is much more a reflection of HU skill and confidence than 6max skills. I know at lower levels that for sure some % of the best 6max players are the table-holders/starters but a much larger % of the best 6max exponents never start games.
Kanu's recent comments would imply he ranks players broken down in to:

i) stack size

Others seem (in fitting with title and topic of thread) to rank by:

ii) no of players in game

If you're doing this I wonder if anybody ranks players' skill levels on iii) each given street? (Is river most important?)
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10-25-2015 , 10:32 AM
no one with a clue thinks z500 is the toughest game that runs regularly
it's pretty tough for the relative stakes compared to sngs, mtts etc and obviously live lol
but 10/20 25/50 etc has a lot of top regs who rarely if ever play 2:5
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10-25-2015 , 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by civ77
Come on, man! You're a legend of the game!! People want to know more about you

+1!!

kanu on joey's podcast would be nuts
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10-25-2015 , 05:16 PM
Kanu 2p2 is dead. We want you in Papasito`s podcast
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10-25-2015 , 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by bachelder
sorry
This post by OP is confusing me

Is the poster you were replying to aware you had access to russian ptr? Do you have access to russian ptr?

If yes, what's the point of the thread if you can rank the players in the game from their w/r (and the data mining's accurate)?
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10-26-2015 , 01:38 AM
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Originally Posted by ralph cigaretto
This post by OP is confusing me

Is the poster you were replying to aware you had access to russian ptr? Do you have access to russian ptr?

If yes, what's the point of the thread if you can rank the players in the game from their w/r (and the data mining's accurate)?
I have no clue, was just fishing to see a redbaron graph
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10-26-2015 , 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
no one with a clue thinks z500 is the toughest game that runs regularly
it's pretty tough for the relative stakes compared to sngs, mtts etc and obviously live lol
but 10/20 25/50 etc has a lot of top regs who rarely if ever play 2:5
why so? think they will be crushed?
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10-26-2015 , 03:03 AM
#1 Iceman
#2 OTB
#3 WCG
#4 mexican222
#5 Katz0r

honorable mentions, katya, trueteller, hayley


sorry but lol@ putting yourself above mexican and katz0r kanu. Used to have respect for you
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10-26-2015 , 05:45 AM
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why so? think they will be crushed?
no of course not. but it's not worth their time/it's too small etc. sorry also should have mentioned that there is also more weaker regs or recreational players at z500 than say 10/20.
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10-26-2015 , 06:54 AM
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Go on then, I'll do the same as I did in the last of these threads which was quoted above

If you're to do it by who gets to sit and who kicks who off the tables then these days it's something more like this for the 100bb+ tables:

1. RedBaron
2. Me
3. Forhayley
4. Katya
5. Trueteller
6. Educa

It's all a bit questionable though since it often depends who feels more like playing some reg games on a particular day. 1 and 2 is always hard since 2 players get to sit at any one time but I'm gonna give #1 to the baron for sure, I hear he's crushing and my results this year are less impressive. Trueteller can play in any line-up at any stakes but doesn't play so often due to playing other games, he does get to hold 100/200+ tables quite a lot though so maybe could be higher anyway. Lottenice is just coming back to playing more NL again so may be deserving of a place but it's less sure. Christoph holds 100/200+ games sometimes but doesn't play as much as he used to, could be in the mix somewhere though.

If we looked at the 40-100bb games then I often leave the table for a few of these guys at 25/50 where I'm not always so bothered about playing 40bb games so I'd maybe drop a bit lower though I still usually hold 50/100+. Fish2013 who is probably just below the list above at 100bb+ would also come into the mix.

The above doesn't exactly describe the list I'd choose in terms of ability, just my observations of who kicks who off tables. In general, better players will kick worse players off tables though so it's probably not too bad Also I may be missing people who often play different times of day to me although nobody springing to mind.
Do you still live on park street? If so, don't you think that it's an absolute ****pit come Friday and Saturday nights? I mean that place Agora, just wow...
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10-26-2015 , 07:02 AM
we have to mention Kanu's yoghurt, that **** costed so much EV for the 2nd best player it is noteworthy.
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10-26-2015 , 07:07 AM
Kanu, would you give us list of who kicks off who in bumhinting seat-script?
I know elde30cm has to be #1, but maybe you could give us top 5 or 10.
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10-26-2015 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by OMGClayDol
no of course not. but it's not worth their time/it's too small etc. sorry also should have mentioned that there is also more weaker regs or recreational players at z500 than say 10/20.
ok.

i am an nvg'er so im sure you can guess what level i play to currently.

in theory i can work out what separates good/world class HU players but really struggle getting my head around the 6max even conceptually (it seems like HU times a v large number, where HU is already a big game)

any tips on how i can approach the game better (either playing or thinking about)? or just some ideas at why the 25/50 regs are better than the zoom500 regs (and not just basing it on the fallacy that bigger bankroll = playing the higher stake/bigger games = automatically a better player)?
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10-26-2015 , 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by imagoat
#1 Iceman
#2 OTB
#3 WCG
#4 mexican222
#5 Katz0r

honorable mentions, katya, trueteller, hayley


sorry but lol@ putting yourself above mexican and katz0r kanu. Used to have respect for you
I really hope this is a troll.
Mexican is not top 50. Katzor is better but never gets the table, and WCG has not played 6max NL in over a year.

The russians get the table all day.
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10-26-2015 , 08:37 AM
lol of course is a troll
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