i am starting the grind this year wish me luck

Yeah cos contributing zero to the society you live in and then topping it off by stealing from everyone isn't scummy at all

lmao living the dream

This in a way is the most relevant post here. Why?

100k+ a year is an ammt def way way way more than 90 people make - But the reality is most "poker pros" basically only make enough to get by on (not struggling but not living lavishly) and 75% of the time they (the pro) are responsible for themselves only. IE : Not married and often with less responsibility than others. Young students. (18-25) - Smart slacker types and so on and so forth. They make 30-50k a year. That's your average "poker pro" imo.

The cream does rise to the top and some get lucky - But poker is just a grind that some enjoy and can handle and some can't. Getting into poker to make "really good money" at this current point and time would be a bad descision imo.

This is just wrong. First of all, in mtts/sngs alone you already have 1000+ players making 100k plus a year. In all other formats combined you have at least the same number. Secondly its idiotic to assume stars would use the number of winning players to advertise the game. There wasn't a single provider of the game doing this even if they had the chance to do so. (Speaking of times where idiots could make 50k+ easily a year)
This is btw not the way advertising for recreational players works. They simply don't care or even believe you could seriously make money playing poker.

And no, your post isn't sticky worthy.

Yeah you are right.However,dont you think that with the new regulations in New Jersey(which MAY be the begining of a new poker boom in America) the economy may be 'repaired' in a way-since New Jersey can accept those regulations why not other state do it as well?

i could potentially see a poker boom occurring, however thats highly unlikely with the way things are going thus far. yes, pokerstars will be in new jersey but i feel like even if they get into other states i could see the player pools all being segregated therefore not creating said poker boom.

either way though, i think getting pokerstars back into the states is great progress for all of us

I play for a living so I haven't tried this, but it's always been one of those things that sounds like a good idea in theory but not many are actually able to consistently pull it off for long, at least for, say 30 OR 40K+ a year or something. Pokers hard these days, and to be one of the few actually pulling in 100k+ FROM ONLINE CASH GAMES CONSISTENTLY (key words here) it takes a lot of time and effort. More then most people with other jobs, and especially families, are probably going to be able to give, generally speaking.

Why did the thread keep going after this?

Older pilots do fine. A lot of them go into contract piloting and fly private jets etc. They are far better placed than retiring poker players whose acquired skill is to know how to lose slowly at poker.

"I" didn't say it was. And where's the data showing 1000+ players per year winning 100k + a year?

Re P.Stars not doing it. Where's the data showing that this was ever so?

omg wtf at these people

pokers a great occupation! Jeez imagine being a pilot, that would so suck!

Re advertising.

They wouldn't do it? Amateur players don't care about winning? This seem to disagree with you on that.

Wasn't "winning big bucks at poker" the cause of the boom in the first place? You can say "rec players don't care about winning" til you are blue in the face, but I would contend that "Everyman winning big" was the hook that the whole industry was hung on in the beginning. Facts not backing up the dream is what is causing the death of it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-k4mo-rI2_0

For example post 94 states that there are alone about 400 snes last year which made 150k+ alone from rakeback. Say these 400 guys make on average 120k/year and this is an extremely conservative estimation. Now add all the guys that make loads of money that are not sne. Even if you say only 10% of supernovas make 100k+ you easily get above 1.5k players, due to the fact that there are plenty of supernovas compared to snes (10-20 times as much, again conservative estimation). And still then you have to add guys that are excellent/lucky players that are not even supernova and make 100k+.
There is no site that tracks everything that happens, unfortunately. Too many guys are blocked, too few games are being tracked.

Btw, i didn't say "you" said it.

Pretty much this. Skill gap too big now, fish realize they have basically no chance to be the next moneymaker or if they don't realize how big a dog they are, they assume its rigged against them. And then the few times they do win a hand some ukranian pro wishes cancer on their mother.

Naaaaah.....that's just more "say X makes $Y, then that means Z"... Which is no evidence at all. Again, you are just guessing, no better than the guy who claimed 30 players only. He's clearly wrong too, but at least he based it on a link with 'some' sort of evidence.

How about counting down how many players on the OfficialPokerRankings MTT ranking tracking site before you drop under 100K profit? Put it this way, I doubt you will get to the second page.......

Lots of negativity in this thread, I think it is still possible now to still make a living Playing Poker.
Why would you not? We Americans are quite greedy, we always want more and more. I do not think you need an arbitrary income to make your life fulfilling.
We only have a short time to enjoy life do what makes you happy.

Guess I'll go against the grain and be one to say it's rly not that hard...

I mean, it's not easy, but it's a hell of a lot easier than doing something like getting through grad school. Yes I'm frequently putting in 20 mins of studying here and there, or maybe a 6 hours study session every couple of weeks, but it's definitely possible to accomplish the goal of 100k+/yr working (grinding+studying combined) less than 20 hours a week. It's just about working smarter, not harder.

I would estimate several thousand are making more than 100k at NL100-NL1000.

Making $10k a month isn't a stretch for a mid stakes player.

Lol, opr. I already said that alot of players are blocked and that the tracking on these sites like that leave out many games. Also you totally discount rakeback by looking at these sites. You could be totally wrong posting a link as "evidence" by not understanding where the money comes from and that not all players are listed.
Its not like i am calculating the exact number of players or so and also isn't necessary if you use common sense. 400 snes is just an indicator that there are far more than 1k players winning more than 100k.

Suggested thread title change:

"Why would anyone from Western Europe start taking poker seriously in 2012?"

Juk

2016 post of the year!

Juk

sounds like OP took his shot, lost and is now mad at the consistent winners lol.

Wouldn't a winning 200NL grinder make 100K? If you are playing a full screen of 9 tables wouldn't you be getting in over 1,000 hands per hour? At 2BB per 100 hands you would making over $40 per hour. That would have you at over $80,000 prior to rakeback.

Without having played online since black Friday I just am not sure what win rates are attainable anymore and can't recall how many hands per hour would be played on average per table.

Yes they would.

This thread is based on a misinterpretation of the high stakes poker leaderboard.