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I think one reason is that scandinavians love to compete in general (alot of the times versus eachother).

This in addition to economic stability has produced a lot of world class athletes and it might be a reason why many good and aggressive poker players come out of scandinavia.

That and the fact that it is cold as hell half of the time

Oh wow its been years since I thought of this. Back in the day when I was a searcher, I had a live in guru – until the ****er ran off with my best ming tea set. He said that Nordic countries believe that hell is cold and that this was because of where they live, just as the Judeo-Christians believe that hell is hot because of where they live. It was all part of trying to expand my mind. If I ever catch up with the ****er I will expand his ****ing mind. As for Scandinavian players being “fearless” they’re not - they are pussy whipped.

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12-01-2010 , 06:05 PM

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Palikari

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"idiots from northern europe" itt

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... Illari Sahamies(Finnish) is quoted as saying “People are realistic in Finland, They(Fins) don’t believe ...

after looking up religious statistics in Sweden on Wikipedia I found this ,"Despite a high formal membership rate in the Church of Sweden, several studies have found Sweden to be one of the least religious countries in the world, ...

Sweden <> Finland

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Everyone that says it's all related to our social system is way off imo.

I agree. Sometimes people that can lose everything and know how to live at the bottom are much more prone to gamble. It's not a bad thing to go broke if you have nothing to lose.

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Even though there's a safety net, nobody want's to go broke. Loosing money is no more fun in Scandinavia than in the rest of the world.

Lol. Try going broke in south africa and see what kind of life you have: No health insurance, no social welfare, no food, no school for your kids. Now compare that to Europe/Finland.

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12-01-2010 , 06:12 PM

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riske

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fearless seems like a sweet euphemism for mindless spewtards...

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12-01-2010 , 06:36 PM

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Ile

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Originally Posted by jonaspluss

COLD WINTERS --> ANGRY ---> AGRO

imo

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12-01-2010 , 07:22 PM

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sdrf

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Originally Posted by Matt Probability

their ability to solve poker games with incomplete information also allows them to solve religion

Well since we figured out that God didn't exist without having any info it's obvious how simple it is to figure out poker.

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12-01-2010 , 07:25 PM

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karamazonk

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Peter Eastgate said it best: the culture is such that it takes a lot more for people go on tilt--they simply take bad beats a lot less personally

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12-01-2010 , 07:28 PM

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Can you add a couple more rows that reflect the state of the Soviet army prior to the attack and the percentage of landmass and economy that Finland sacrificed in order to halt the hostilities.

i dunno man, losing some uninhabited tundra seems relatively minor compared to losing more than half a million soldiers

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12-01-2010 , 07:34 PM

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I don't think religion (or lack of it) plays much of a part in it - Scandinavia (cue debate about how Finland is not part of it) have very good social security where you almost can't go truly broke the way you can in other countries.

You and your family is still guaranteed food, a home, health care, high level education etc almost no matter how broke you are, so the fear of going broke, or losing a big amount of money, is not going to be as high in these countries. It's by no means fun to be broke, you'll have to go without a lot of stuff and make sacrifices on many levels, but it's not as big a crisis as it can be elsewhere.

The answer to OP came in the 3rd post. The rest of this thread is pointless after that post.

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12-01-2010 , 07:35 PM

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I've seen that Sweden maintained an official policy of neutrality while at the same time capitulating to the Nazis; allowing them to use their trains to transport soldiers/weapons and continuing to sell them iron ore in full knowledge it was being used to make munitions.

This does not meet with my definitions of "tough" and "fearless".

While the chicken politics of the Swedish government at the time is a sore point for many Swedes it should be noted that a huge number of Swedes fought as volunteers in other countries armies.

I don't know if you're American but there weren't that many Americans volunteering in the war until America was attacked. And American politicians did what they could to keep America from fighting until there was no choice.

Few countries faced worse odds in the war than Finland. And they got little to no help from the west. Before, during and after WWII.

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12-01-2010 , 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by WildStyle

Can you add a couple more rows that reflect the state of the Soviet army prior to the attack and the percentage of landmass and economy that Finland sacrificed in order to halt the hostilities.

ps does 3 months of fighting really count as a war? More of a battle, no?

worked well for the russians when they had to stop napoleon and hitler

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12-01-2010 , 10:18 PM

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I've wondered this before. Seems like the Viking ethos has been internalized in the modern scandinavian, since they are not outwardly agressive but are still super-competitive.

They seem to prefer competition more as solitary affair than in a team setting. Besides poker they are very f-good at racing cars, especially Rally racing, which takes sick finnesse skill and is highly dangerous.

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12-01-2010 , 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Matt Probability

their ability to solve poker games with incomplete information also allows them to solve religion

A+

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12-01-2010 , 10:29 PM

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Ile

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Not sure about the safety net argument, the bottom of the safety net range is that it can make people lazy/not trying hard enough, which in poker could be pretty bad. But there are probably many counterarguments to this and in the end you get such a mess of doubly merged ranges that you didn't really get any wiser.

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12-01-2010 , 10:40 PM

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iseedeadmoney

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when you get taxed as heavy as them you're less likely to give a damn if you lose, it's the winning that drives them mad enough to sell off their possessions.

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12-01-2010 , 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by riske

fearless seems like a sweet euphemism for mindless spewtards...

this. i think most fins suck at poker

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12-01-2010 , 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaabo

I can only speak for myself why I'm so much more "fearless" as a player.

In Finland association called RAY (Finland’s Slot Machine Association) has an exclusive right to operate slot machines and casino table games, and to run a casino. These machines are placed in every market and gas station around the country and people between the ages of 10 to 90 are playing these ****ers every day.

One of the most popular slot machine is a 5 card draw where your odds for winning in a long run are close to zero. If you get lucky enough and win something you have a option for double it up. Your odds for doubling it up are 46%, for getting your money back are 4% and losing are rest of the 50%.
Since winning any moenyz is so rare doubling up is the best option to hit a big score. Personally I have used all my candy moneyz to these machines from age of 7. In this light losing a xx$ coinflip online dosen't feel so bad when you have used to lose 20€ coinflips in age of 10 for these blood sucking machines.

Finland also has a long history for card games. 5 card draw, scandinavian stud and many non-money needed card games have been around for ages and as long as I remember my whole family and my friends have always played these games and slots.

I have never thought about this before, it is a great theory and definitly true for me. Stopped tilting at age 12

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12-02-2010 , 02:44 AM

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Agent.Orange

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sisu

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12-02-2010 , 02:48 AM

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What's the tax rate if you work in Finland, Sweden, Denmark? 50-70%?

What's the tax rate if you play poker on certain sites.... ZERO.

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12-02-2010 , 03:11 AM

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While the chicken politics of the Swedish government at the time is a sore point for many Swedes it should be noted that a huge number of Swedes fought as volunteers in other countries armies.

Yes. A few thousand swedes volunteered for the 5th SS Panzer Division Wiking of the German Waffen SS.

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12-02-2010 , 03:57 AM

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MatthewRyan

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Street Poker; Batman

see: magicninja for more information

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12-02-2010 , 04:18 AM

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benjamin barker

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I never heard about Finland having such awesome social programs.

Are these all available to anyone that moves to Finland?

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12-02-2010 , 04:56 AM

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RoastMaster

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^ Heh, nope. They also have one of the most strict foreign policies in the world. I think they have some kind of a commonwealth agreement with Sweden but that's about it.

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12-02-2010 , 04:58 AM

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canoodles

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Correlation does not imply causation. P.S. who cares?

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12-02-2010 , 05:05 AM

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DonkBluffer

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I've lived in Sweden for a few months now. The image I have of Swedish men is that they are non-confrontational, and that they spend more time and money on their looks and clothes than girls. As I've heard one American woman say it, when American gay guys come to Sweden, their 'gaydar' doesn't work anymore, because all the men look gay.

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