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Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry? Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

03-13-2012 , 02:44 AM
might have to take back your undertitle
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03-13-2012 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
Good form would dictate that if you don't like your host leave, if you choose to stay be respectful. MM has always framed criticism as positive and something to learn from (if valid) but the sideways comments shouldn't be and hopefully won't be tolerated.
This is not true. During the Brandi/Sue debacle Mason blocked David Sklansky's ability to post. Should posts from MM's top author be censored? I guess they were tooooooooo sideways for Mason and casey to take. The question of validity was never broached as Mason just turned off David Sklansky's ability to post.
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03-13-2012 , 04:23 AM
People who think that the concept of "freedom of speech" compels Mason to publish their nonsense have a very poor understanding of freedom of speech.
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03-13-2012 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
People who think that the concept of "freedom of speech" compels Mason to publish their nonsense have a very poor understanding of freedom of speech.
Wow. Another poker icon bites the dust. You saw the post. Mason censored the posting ability of the author of every early 2+2 book. I guess Sklansky's completely personally involved view of the Sue situation was nonsense.

Sue, who wanted to respond to the lies in the threads about her were also nonsense. Keep spinning for the good of poker Josem Warrior.
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03-13-2012 , 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
People who think that the concept of "freedom of speech" compels Mason to publish their nonsense have a very poor understanding of freedom of speech.
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Originally Posted by Topset72
Wow. Another poker icon bites the dust. You saw the post. Mason censored the posting ability of the author of every early 2+2 book. I guess Sklansky's completely personally involved view of the Sue situation was nonsense.

Sue, who wanted to respond to the lies in the threads about her were also nonsense. Keep spinning for the good of poker Josem Warrior.
It's not a spin. Freedom of speech does not apply except when it comes to government and their citizens. I can't go on a McDonald's website and post that Wendy's fish sandwich is better, have it deleted, and scream about having my freedom of speech rights violated because I don't have any there.

Last edited by Doc T River; 03-13-2012 at 07:49 AM. Reason: When did Screamin Asian start running for president
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03-13-2012 , 10:38 AM
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Originally Posted by sinner
listen to tonights donk down interview with dutch boyd
Why did you choose to bump this thread?

Last edited by ChaosReigns; 03-13-2012 at 10:39 AM. Reason: likes Sgt RJ's old avatar better
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03-13-2012 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Topset72
Wow. Another poker icon bites the dust. You saw the post. Mason censored the posting ability of the author of every early 2+2 book. I guess Sklansky's completely personally involved view of the Sue situation was nonsense.

Sue, who wanted to respond to the lies in the threads about her were also nonsense. Keep spinning for the good of poker Josem Warrior.
You've unwittingly made Josem's point with your reply.
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03-13-2012 , 12:28 PM
I suspect most of the haters are folks lower on the "totem pole of poker" than Mason.

If that is the case, then the answer is simple - ENVY.

This behavior is not unique to poker.
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03-13-2012 , 12:38 PM
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Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?
Why are Wall Street bankers disliked?
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03-13-2012 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
This is why he pisses people off. This attitude right here.

'You don't like it? GTFO. This is my forum'

That is his attitude in dealing with everybody. A very deep seeded and arrogant sense of entitlement.
internet forums (especially those run by private companies) are not microcosms of democracy. lol if it actually pisses you off that he feels 'entitled' to run his own forums.
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03-13-2012 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by ShizzMoney
Why are Wall Street bankers disliked?
Ignorance. Why is this question relevant?
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03-13-2012 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
The direction the wind is blowing is not up for debate because it is a black and white objective fact.

MM's management style etc. is not a black and white matter... The fact that there is a heated discussion as to why/why not MM is hated in the industry demonstrates that the topic is debatable, depends on one's perspective and past experiences with him.

Your analogy, in this regard, is fallacious.
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The analogy was between pissing into the wind and personal smears/complaining about the owner of a forum, on the forum he owns.

(The direction the wind is blowing from may be a "black and white objective fact", whatever that means. But its direction relative to where one is pissing has a direct effect on the outcome of pissing. The effect is easily demonstrated, try it.

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Sorry if you did not get the meaning without a demonstration, now go wipe yourself off. .)
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03-13-2012 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobo Fett
LOL @ the thought that someone is keeping tabs on anyone who posted something negative so they can ban them months later as some kind of vengeance.


I believe he chooses to use the account that is his.

Hint: It's not D.S.



And it's an insult to all the moderators here to suggest that their moderating decisions are guided by whether posts show respect to MM. Your posts show a serious misunderstanding of how things work around here, which is understandable since there's no reason you would have any knowledge of the inner workings of the site.


Using phrases like "totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel" when discussing one person's tempban on a privately owned forum, I would hope this post is meant as a joke.

If you are actually serious, the bolded sentence above seems to indicate you don't get around these forums very much.
Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder whose account it is.
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03-13-2012 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by smooth101
Conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I wonder whose account it is.
Much like your account is smooth101's, I'd assume the D.S. account belongs to...D.S.
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03-14-2012 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by grando
now for what everyone is wondering...

shouldn't McShipperson have 2 S's?
I meant 2 Ps obv
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03-14-2012 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
The analogy was between pissing into the wind and personal smears/complaining about the owner of a forum, on the forum he owns.

(The direction the wind is blowing from may be a "black and white objective fact", whatever that means. But its direction relative to where one is pissing has a direct effect on the outcome of pissing. The effect is easily demonstrated, try it.

......

Sorry if you did not get the meaning without a demonstration, now go wipe yourself off. .)
Perhaps its that your analogy is ill conceived and lacks relevance to the topic of discussion. Next time try using an analogy that doesn't involve bodily functions, such vulgarities may befit an old western where two cowpokes are sitting around a fire awkwardly trying to communicate without the requisite diction; but its 2012, surely you can find a more eloquent way to articulate the thoughts held within your mind...

I mean next time you can't come up with anything other than this sort of hackneyed drivel to back up an argument, try "It is what it is..", at least you won't invoke someone's private parts...

Last edited by frzn assets; 03-14-2012 at 02:15 AM. Reason: "Pissing in the wind..." are you cereal?? How curmudgeon-esc can you get...?
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03-14-2012 , 03:14 AM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
Perhaps its that your analogy is ill conceived and lacks relevance to the topic of discussion. Next time try using an analogy that doesn't involve bodily functions, such vulgarities may befit an old western where two cowpokes are sitting around a fire awkwardly trying to communicate without the requisite diction; but its 2012, surely you can find a more eloquent way to articulate the thoughts held within your mind...

I mean next time you can't come up with anything other than this sort of hackneyed drivel to back up an argument, try "It is what it is..", at least you won't invoke someone's private parts...
You went straight to the Orwell card in your earlier post, therefore you're not allowed to call anybody else's posts "hackneyed drivel".
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03-14-2012 , 07:29 AM
Back in the late 70's he acted as an enforcer and general for darth sidious and oversaw the construction of the death star, that is why i hate him....but respect him
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03-14-2012 , 08:25 AM
Can you name another Americzn company that would allow and pay for this thread? The original title is a lie. If you word a scientific questionnaire, you would never have such a leading, stupid, false statement. I've been very active in poker as a player and writer. I read a great deal about poker. To compare TwoPlusTwo to George Orwell is really dumb. I believe it proves the idiot's looking for attention have not read, and would not understand Orwell. This is the biggest and best poker forum. I don't see why Mason and David allow the child-like attacks from the momma's basement crowd. Many are lies and distortions. Banning doesn't do much because the momma's basement crowd are hiding behind fake names anyway. What ****ing cowards! They snipe away at successful people with no credentials, resume, or accomplishments to brag about themselves.

The poker books on TwoPlusTwo have made a great contribution to poker, especially realistic, probability-based play. TwoPlusTwo books have a seal of approval. There are a huge number of poker books out there.

This thread is a loser's convention. It allows the useless pricks that are by definition haters to go after someone that has a proven track record for success.They are stuck in some cubical job where they bore folks lying about their poker winnings. I think that if you see a hater, you see a gambling sucker. They are the brokes who hate, think they are cheated, have to look at poker from that loser/sucker/fool/hater side. I wish one of you would go to a psycholgist and say, "I hate Mason Malmuth. He is hated by a lot of big wheels in poker. I can't name any. I have never met him. I don't know **** about his company. What I really hate is that he laughs at me and the momma's basement, hater, low IQ crowd who simply do not matter to him! What's wrong with him?"

I spent my career teaching in a university. I taught graduate, undergraduate and honors students. At its best, TwoPlusTwo is an open exchange of information and idess. It is great to write here, and have suggestions, new information, corrections. I do pay attention to the serious critics.

About a week ago, Mason Malmuth suggerted I order and read Robert K. DeArment's Knights of the Green Cloth. I also ordered a biography of Bat Masterson by the same author. I will be reading these with great pleasure.

TwoPlusTwo haters are like the folks who made prank or obscene phone calls. They hide behind a fake name to attempt to hurt others, but their complete life insignificance makes their comments come across like jealosy, envy, ignorance, and a mind set that condemns them to a momma's basement of the mind kind of life. **** the haters! Their over estimation of their own imporance is the funniest part of this, and this thread is funny. I'll bet Mason laughs at it or it would not be here!! I certainly admire Mason!

Last edited by Johnny Hughes; 03-14-2012 at 08:47 AM.
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03-14-2012 , 08:29 AM
Damn, you know you done ****ed up when Johnny Hughes starts posting without a in the subject line. Shame on you haters .
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03-14-2012 , 10:18 AM
It amazes me that a thread with a faulty premise has such legs. It also amazes me that Johnny has not gotten himself banned, even temporarily, for his myriad personal attacks.
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03-14-2012 , 10:21 AM
That's funny, I'm surprised Johnny's post wasn't sticky'd.
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03-14-2012 , 10:39 AM
Is 2+2 headquarters located in Vegas?

Last edited by JCHAK; 03-14-2012 at 10:48 AM.
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03-14-2012 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. 2+2 has a Top Dog. That's the way our organization is structured. Furthermore, even though the authority for moderation is delegated to someone else, I do have the ability to do moderation when it's my decision to do so. Also, by my instructions, personal insults are something we moderate for. So please enjoy your three day vacation.

Best wishes,
mason
Mason,

I think 2+2 is a great site which has helped me + other players a lot. Thank you.

However, I don't see how HockeyStick's post is a personal insult (or, if that is the threshold then there are hundreds of worse ones on the site every week). Isn't that exactly the attitude he was talking about here?..
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This is why he pisses people off. This attitude right here.

'You don't like it? GTFO. This is my forum'

That is his attitude in dealing with everybody. A very deep seeded and arrogant sense of entitlement.

Has he earned it? Sure. This is his forum. But it still pisses people off. You don't see Mark Zuckerberg telling that to people who complain about Facebook.
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03-14-2012 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Josem
People who think that the concept of "freedom of speech" compels Mason to publish their nonsense have a very poor understanding of freedom of speech.
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No one has a right to post here. We have an opportunity to post here. I'm a fan high quality websites and am thankful this place is a round. To anyone that thinks they should be able to post anything willy-nilly: suck it.

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