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Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry? Why is Mason Malmuth so hated in the poker industry?

03-12-2012 , 05:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I need to bring up a point here since your post brings up the counter point. I have virtually no interaction with the moderators. That authority is delegated to Mat Sklansky. Occasionally when there is a problem, I might hear about it, and I do talk to Mat as well as others on our staff on a regular basis. But no instructions ever come from me to a moderator along the lines that your post suggests (whether that was your intention or not),

Best wishes,
Mason
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
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03-12-2012 , 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
No. 2+2 has a Top Dog. That's the way our organization is structured. Furthermore, even though the authority for moderation is delegated to someone else, I do have the ability to do moderation when it's my decision to do so. Also, by my instructions, personal insults are something we moderate for. So please enjoy your three day vacation.

Best wishes,
mason
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03-12-2012 , 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by SYLAER
Strange thread...bashing the guy who brought everyone here together to this forum...
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Originally Posted by Doc T River
I'm here because of the forum and not because of Mason. There's a difference.

Meaning I'm here because the forum is here not because Mason is on the forum.
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
I don't think anyone cares why you are here. But the point is that you are here and that means at least from your perspective we must be doing some things well.

And as for me being on the forum or not, remember this site has over 100 forums, and many of them I virtually never participate in but lots of others do. So my suspicion is that very few people are actually here because I am here, and that's the way it should be and something we at 2+2 have always striven for. That is, we want the product to do the talking with less emphasis on the individuals who help to create the product.

MM
Wanted to clarify something because even though I used I, I was offering a general explanation as to why people are here and not why people who might have had an issue with Mason are still here or why I'm here.

I felt it was like the poster was saying the architect should get credit for people being at a museum instead of the exhibits. Nothing more.
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03-12-2012 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
I don't think Mason gave himself that undertitle and if he didn't give himself the undertitle, your point is even less valid.

Last edited by Doc T River; 03-12-2012 at 07:22 AM. Reason: trying to convey my meaning the first time
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03-12-2012 , 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. 2+2 has a Top Dog. That's the way our organization is structured. Furthermore, even though the authority for moderation is delegated to someone else, I do have the ability to do moderation when it's my decision to do so. Also, by my instructions, personal insults are something we moderate for. So please enjoy your three day vacation.

Best wishes,
mason
If personal insults are something that is moderated for and people seem to be banned for, can you explain why nothing seems to have been done to the person who made post #65 in the following thread?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/55...l#post26700732
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03-12-2012 , 09:05 AM
Maybe everyone here should take Sgt. Hulka's advice: "Lighten up, Francis."
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03-12-2012 , 11:10 AM
Maybe people hate the man because he likes to 'sign off' at the end of his posts. He write out his well formed thoughts and then give us a space or two before adding "MM" or "Mason Malmuth".
Why do people do this online?
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03-12-2012 , 11:37 AM
Their mamas taught them to be polite.

Cordially,
ANobleGent
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03-12-2012 , 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Toupee Jay
My only experience of Mason was playing with him years ago (early to mid 90's) in the 20-40 and 40-80 games that ran every day at the Mirage. He had published a couple of poker books with Sklansky at the time and that is all I knew about him. I found him to be a solid competent player who never got out of line with anyone. He made little comment if someone put a beat on him and did not gloat when he won a nice pot. He was a winning player in the game. That got my respect. I maybe played with him 8-10 times over the course of a couple of years. Never saw him have a problem with anyone.

Maybe things changed later on. I don't know. Just my two cents. Now Roy Cooke, that's a different story. He had a lot to say about players and hands and how they were played. Not that it's a bad thing. He was just a lot more talkative. Also a pretty good player, but I would rate Mason above him.
It is nice to know that my perception of Mason as a player vs Roy Cooke is in line with this. My perceptions are based soley on their writings, I have never played with either.
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03-12-2012 , 12:40 PM
Good form would dictate that if you don't like your host leave, if you choose to stay be respectful. MM has always framed criticism as positive and something to learn from (if valid) but the sideways comments shouldn't be and hopefully won't be tolerated.
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03-12-2012 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
This is why he pisses people off. This attitude right here.

'You don't like it? GTFO. This is my forum'

That is his attitude in dealing with everybody. A very deep seeded and arrogant sense of entitlement.

Has he earned it? Sure. This is his forum. But it still pisses people off. You don't see Mark Zuckerberg telling that to people who complain about Facebook.
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If 2+2's no nonsense confrontational tone when dealing with trolls and idiots makes it less like facebook, isn't that a good thing?
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03-12-2012 , 12:53 PM
You learn a man's vices by looking at his friends. You learn a man's virtues by looking at his enemies.
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03-12-2012 , 12:54 PM
FWIW, I think the thread title is incorrect. I think some people, and not everyone, have problems with Mason. Plus, no one can say everyone likes them.
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03-12-2012 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BillyJoel
If 2+2's no nonsense confrontational tone when dealing with trolls and idiots makes it less like facebook, isn't that a good thing?
For sure.
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03-12-2012 , 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. 2+2 has a Top Dog. That's the way our organization is structured. Furthermore, even though the authority for moderation is delegated to someone else, I do have the ability to do moderation when it's my decision to do so. Also, by my instructions, personal insults are something we moderate for. So please enjoy your three day vacation.Best wishes,
mason
Did MM seriously ban this guy for commenting on his management style??? How is that a personal insult?? If someone on the forums states that they don't like how Howard Lederer managed FTP will they be banned for personally insulting Howard?? I guess freedom of expression is not permissible on 2+2 if it is less than sycophantic or contradicts management's POV. I find this totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel and am extremely disturbed by it. This self serving and rather petty action has; however, allowed me to understand the origin of this thread's title. That's not an insult, it is my point of view regarding censorship of free thought in what is suppose to be a free society; please don't minsconstrue one for the other.


Last edited by frzn assets; 03-12-2012 at 01:33 PM. Reason: At least I didn't reference "V is for Vendetta"...
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03-12-2012 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by frzn assets
Did MM seriously ban this guy for commenting on his management style??? How is that a personal insult?? If someone on the forums states that they don't like how Howard Lederer managed FTP will they be banned for personally insulting Howard?? I guess freedom of expression is not permissible on 2+2 if it is less than sycophantic or contradicts management's POV. I find this totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel and am extremely disturbed by it. This self serving and rather petty action has; however, allowed me to understand the origin of this thread's title. That's not an insult, it is my point of view regarding censorship of free thought in what is suppose to be a free society; please don't minsconstrue one for the other.
+1 for balls, -1 for obligatory Orwell reference.

Last edited by Blizzuff; 03-12-2012 at 01:25 PM. Reason: In before standard "well this isn't a free society, this is a private forum, blah blah go somewhere else then!" responses.
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03-12-2012 , 01:31 PM
New account with "Posts Per Day: 8.96" and trolling the site owner with miss-information. I am surprised it is only a 3 day ban.
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03-12-2012 , 01:34 PM
Let's see, new poster comes ITT to troll Mason, not to mention insult him. Big surprise?
Gimme a break.
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03-12-2012 , 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Professionalpoker
New account with "Posts Per Day: 8.96" and trolling the site owner with miss-information. I am surprised it is only a 3 day ban.
Maybe the fact that his post barely contained any personal insults whatsoever worked in his favor to lighten the sentence.

Everybody knew this was eventually going to happen. Mason and/or Sklansky were going to reply to this thread with the typical "haters gonna hate/people hate us because of how much better at life we are than them" replies, someone was eventually going to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there's more to it than that, and then Mason was going to get flustered and prove them right. I'm just surprised it took this long.
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03-12-2012 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Blizzuff
Maybe the fact that his post barely contained any personal insults whatsoever worked in his favor to lighten the sentence.

Everybody knew this was eventually going to happen. Mason and/or Sklansky were going to reply to this thread with the typical "haters gonna hate/people hate us because of how much better at life we are than them" replies, someone was eventually going to point out that maybe, just MAYBE, there's more to it than that, and then Mason was going to get flustered and prove them right. I'm just surprised it took this long.
That was a very bad summary of what I wrote. First I admitted in my post that was sometimes more to it than that. Second I was talking about people in the industry, not players, and thirdly I said nothing about better at life.

What I said was that incompetant people entered the industry in the days before it was realized that good poker writing required similiar thinking ability as other skill games and those incompetants hated us for exposing them and costing them money.

There may be people who dislike us a little because of our curtness. But again, the ones who actually hate us are the people I was referring to.
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03-12-2012 , 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by David Sklansky
But again, the ones who actually hate us are the people I was referring to.
There are also those that find you extremely odd/creepy after learning more about your lifestyle during Brandi-gate.
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03-12-2012 , 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by dealace1
There are also those that find you extremely odd/creepy after learning more about your lifestyle during Brandi-gate.
A large % of people would find most online poker players to be odd/creepy. Oh well.
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03-12-2012 , 02:27 PM
Hmmm so, if i follow correctly, AQs > JJ; is that what we're getting at here?
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03-12-2012 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Mason Malmuth
No. 2+2 has a Top Dog. That's the way our organization is structured. Furthermore, even though the authority for moderation is delegated to someone else, I do have the ability to do moderation when it's my decision to do so. Also, by my instructions, personal insults are something we moderate for. So please enjoy your three day vacation.

Best wishes,
mason
Uh could you point out which part of his post contained the personal attack? I see a general criticism of what he perceives the organization of the site to be, and in less than mild words, but certainly no personal attack.

I think it's somewhat humorous that the way you respond to personal criticism (whether it be accurate or not) is to ban the offender and drop a cheesy "enjoy the vacation" one-liner. Reminds me of the co-manager of the local Blockbuster video company who adds an additional $1.50 in late fees to a customer who's annoyed him and then revels in the glory that is his vast and unlimited power.

I'm looking forward to my witty catch-phrase accompanied 3 day ban for this post by the way.
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03-12-2012 , 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
Keep up. I wont get banned until there is plausible deniability that I was banned for my posts ITT.
LOL @ the thought that someone is keeping tabs on anyone who posted something negative so they can ban them months later as some kind of vengeance.

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Originally Posted by smooth101
When do you choose to use Admin and D.S.? I have always wondered.
I believe he chooses to use the account that is his.

Hint: It's not D.S.

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Originally Posted by HockeyStick
LOL It's insult to the intelligence of anybody who reads this to think the only way that could happen is you overtly directly moderators to harass/ban people for hating on you. You could be delegating it, it could be people attempting to suck up to you by defending you or it could be a general culture of nobody ****s with the Top Dog (that moniker says a lot about your attitude and approach by the way - good technology companies don't have a Top Dog they have a Chief Coach who enables those below them to do their best work).
And it's an insult to all the moderators here to suggest that their moderating decisions are guided by whether posts show respect to MM. Your posts show a serious misunderstanding of how things work around here, which is understandable since there's no reason you would have any knowledge of the inner workings of the site.

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Originally Posted by frzn assets
Did MM seriously ban this guy for commenting on his management style??? How is that a personal insult?? If someone on the forums states that they don't like how Howard Lederer managed FTP will they be banned for personally insulting Howard?? I guess freedom of expression is not permissible on 2+2 if it is less than sycophantic or contradicts management's POV. I find this totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel and am extremely disturbed by it. This self serving and rather petty action has; however, allowed me to understand the origin of this thread's title. That's not an insult, it is my point of view regarding censorship of free thought in what is suppose to be a free society; please don't minsconstrue one for the other.
Using phrases like "totalitarian action reminiscent of an Orwell novel" when discussing one person's tempban on a privately owned forum, I would hope this post is meant as a joke.

If you are actually serious, the bolded sentence above seems to indicate you don't get around these forums very much.

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