I'm glad you did bc I was going for it too

So are you saying that a pro like Ivey should be balanced at all times? You don't think he could be making this play as an exploitative adjustment to players overfolding in that spot?

I don't know why you can't mention the name of an app. If mods at twoplustwo won't let you mention the name of an app because it competes with a lot of their products that is disgusting. Can you pm the name of the app?

Why do you think they were so excited he was there?

To put it in language more familiar to Holdem players, if he did a NL video where he played clearly unbalanced ranges in important/ common spots, and certain top NL players made it a point to sit in his games, wouldn't think the two facts were closely related?

Most all of my play is in mixed limit games, so maybe condescend using a badaci example instead?

Again, an instructional video demonstrating suboptimal thought processes is better evidence than guys getting excited he's at the table and drawing the conclusion, due to their excitement, that demonstrably he's a suboptimal player.

Beating Ivey HU at any game is a notch on a belt and bragging rights since he's considered among of the end bosses at almost any format.

When you think you have an edge and you get an opportunity to play a legend, of course you'd get excited. That is until he adapts to your play and closes these holes as Galfond once noted here:

http://www.pokerlistings.com/blog/de...ivey-continued

No one here would understand except you and me, and honestly I don't want to coach potential competitors on NVG. Maybe you have the same leaks as Ivey?

Those two guys are among the best mix players in the world. It's no proof but very interesting that they are happy to play Phil in high stakes mix games.

karma

I guess if by "way different" you mean that one argument is (arguably) better evidence than the other, then sure. They both seem reasonable to me, though.

They do also mention in the video that they have gotten about 10x better at the games over the course of 5 years while they feel Ivey hasn't improved much at all in that time.

We don't play the same stakes, and I'll be done with poker (outside of 2 months during the wsop) in a few years, so all considered, I think you'd be giving up very little equity, if any.


Perhaps, but I don't know what my leaks are so I'd be unable to spot mine in other players, and I haven't watched any of his vids nor played much with him, so I wouldn't know.

Well, now you admit that the documentary, in and of itself, is not conclusive evidence. That was my original point.

It's reasonable, but it's not conclusive, which is what was espoused. How many hands at the nosebleeds have they each played vs Ivey (or any other specific opponent)?

Having leaks vs a player yet still being +EV without the other realizing he's actually taking the worst of it is exactly why tough games run, so I like to defer to sample size as supporting evidence rather than relying on a guy rubbing one out when someone shows up to a game (btw, I'm not saying that these two don't have the edge).

That being said, DC is implying that Ivey has videos out with such leaks that can only be indicative of a fundamentally unsound player, and if so, the rest is moot.

well how many people with the same approach/mindset as Ivey is still a big winner?

gradx, article is from 6 years ago come on, its like 20 years in any real life thing.

He played in the aussie millions

Ivey doesn't lose. He negative wins.

Bueller? Bueller? Anyone?

Ya but did he win?

LOL,good one

Not sure if serious...

"Phil Ivey Wins Aussie Millions $250,000 Super High Roller For Third Time In Four Years" -this was 2015,this year he did not cash.

Exactly. This year he did NOT cash. Thanks for trying. You remind me of Limon with your ridiculous post.

Yeah bro,1 (ONE) mtt.Sick sample size.
What have you been doing here since 2010?Go read something about (mtt) variance.Jeez...

I'm kidding buddy. I invented variance.

Sorry it's quite late here,and i had a long (2) days at the cash tables...

It's okay, the three wins are next to meaningless, as well.

He actually did cash this year, in the 200k.