and ABSOLUTELY!! to your last statement

No no this was spot on.

+1 Agents for affiliated books are not necessarily shady or violent at all. They are basically gamblers who know other gamblers and have a good name. By definition, OC will always play a major role in 'victimless' crimes like gambling. IMO it is better this way bc OC plays the long term and polices these institutions well and most are dealt with fairly, although maybe not in accordance with the law. I hope these guys stand up bc despite what they may be facing, they will actually do little or no time in a medium-low or even a camp. Ratting is never a +ev action though my opinion may be biased.

There was a thread about .. software developer... SWAT team landed a helicopter in his yard.. they threatened him. He signed a confession or "cooperated fully" after tweeting some online attorney. This guy wrote software for legal bookmakers but the feds wanted his customer list.
Robert Stuart, Extension Software.

Anyway, just keep your mouth shut, lawyer up and do what he says.

this reminds me.. Greg Raymer will be in court tomorrow if the original court date was not changed.

Page 48 of indictment is where Justin is first charged, counts 9-11 he is listed. Thankfully for his sake he is not charged with any of the extortion and strong arm type stuff. But we all speculated from the outset that would be the case. The russian mobsters of the world dont need big time poker players to do their strong arming. They need poker players for access to the big time bettors.

However the three counts they are listed in have a multitude of charges. The entire group of defendants is charged with running the book making operation. The defendants are not classified as agents, runners, bookmakers, clerks, etc etc. They are also charged with wire act and illegal banking charges to facilitate an offshore betting operation.

I agree with virtually everything macau. The only part I disagree with is if the DOJ wants the bosses bad they can put tons of pressure on the little guys with threats of harsh sentences. Not saying they should EVER rat, I just think they will be under a lot of pressure here. This operation has been running for at least five years, lots of money was made and the feds know it. Rich guys getting richer do not get lots of sympathy. Also getting convictions of major russian mob bosses may cause the DOJ to play real hard with the little guys.

Not trying to monopolize the conversation in this thread, I really do not post on 2+2 that often. I just feel horrible that this young gambler and his HS sweetheart are getting their lives flipped over for doing something 90% of us would do.

Not thrilled either that I am getting texts from my friend to go to that illegal poker game I mentioned earlier ITT that is at a sheriffs house and we all know he has no worries about getting pinched.

at the end of the day if you owe a man pay him the bet. we know boosted j and abe mosseri was caught in this trap. but if your guilty man up get a lawyer and fight and win. there just pawns in this game, never rat even on your worst enemy , and never be with people you would not use the same force with. if your with killers then you know you must kill not hard to fig out. im been lucky im crazy , ill leave it at that . abe and Justin I feel are just pawn s. I wish them the best , don't say a nothing my advice. there smart I hope not to smart, just play the game.

Yeah, the feds r gonna put them all in on a wet board and they all they got is top pr, no kicker, but ultimately the feds r semibluffing a lot in these situations. If the poker names are at worst agents for the books and not involved w prostitution, identity theft, drugs, or a huge target, which is money laundering, then they should be able to lawyer up and stonewall the feds re anything related to the Brighton Beach crowd. No matter what the feds say (we're gonna arrest your mother, you r gonna do double digits, ur going to a supermax) if they can hold up they will have to take a catnap, lose some funds, but keep their dignity. Agreed, the feds won't make it easy or comfortable, that's what makes them the feds.

pretty easy thinking if your guilty then you know if you rat you know what they can do, if you don't then your innocent . I mean the feds are trying to scare them. but if you want to make a stand I would screw the feds and Russian mob do what is right to you. only you know let no one differ whats right in your heart or mind. lmao they can only kill; you once only thing my dad said made since. lmao Vladimir sux btw

I believe Justin or abe pay up and walk just like FTP owners seen it to many times $$$<<<<

Rich guys get the best lawyers and they have assets that can be seized, often in lieu of harsher sentences. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

sounds fair to me id hate to see cold war

you cross a line every time you post on here...jesus christ for your sons sake find another forum that he isnt involved in.

Top lawyers for Rico are real real expensive but worth it if in a jam for sure.
As far as your example that does happen often yes but not always. Look at Martha Stewart, Leona Helmsley etc etc. They were hit hard for what they did, very hard. Martha tried to save like 100k with insider trading and lied under oath. many people (including pres Clinton )lie under oath that never get charged never mind go to prison for a first offense in their old age like martha did. Leona had work done on her mansion and billed it to her hotel for a tax break and went to prison as an old woman!! I mean come on! She was a miserable old lady but that's not a crime. The crime she committed sent her to prison cause the govt made an example of her plain and simple
Also Justin may be regular guy rich but he isn't "Howard lederer ray bitar get out of jail free rich". I really hope it works out here but so much depends on the DOJs line of attack.

Well now I realize how Boosted had so much $ to where he could pour a million into Bellande when he was the worst player in the game and not give a shat. Known Arthur Azen and Edler for quite a long time and hope they don't get hit too hard

Well then you can say that abe or Justin didn't do merely what FTP owners have done, it does not sound like.

The max sentence is 10yrs.

A lot of people get convicted of more serious crimes and don't get the max sentence.

watch the video

when did this happen?

probably referring to the massive games at iveys room with bobby baldwin et all, which would be kind of a misleading statement since half the game was friends of bobby baldwin so I highly doubt bellande was a bad investment

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... and you can't help yourself get out of that jam or Joe the Hammer will come pound on you."

Rat Much?

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....if your with killers then you know you must kill not hard to fig out. im been lucky im crazy , ill leave it at that .

Kill people much?

Its anarchic-tyranny, they go after silly "crimes" and then let the real criminals run wild

I disagree that anyone should voluntarily take a felony conviction in the US.

kind of a couraged statement, from a well-informed insider obviously.

go tell taivanchik personally that he is no "real criminal" in your eyes. he will show you.