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Where does a passport presented for purpose of authentication require multi-factor?

You seem to doubt that private organizations can produce better ID methods than passports. Do you even understand what multi-factor authentication is?

And this has nothing to do with casinos able to provide sufficiently valid ID cards for their use.

Again, are you high? When you produce a passport, you have given multiple factors; it would be redundant to say, show your birth certificate, driver license or social security number; it's been substantiated by a body far more through than Honeywell.

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08-18-2015 , 05:36 PM

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You obviously do not understand multi-factor authentication then.

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08-18-2015 , 05:37 PM

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Wow, my head hurts after reading most of these posts. I just don't understand why everyone is arguing back and forth about the video and getting so worked up. Everyone here would agree they want free will and the freedom to do as they please as long as they are not harming those around us.

Who knows what the video does or will do for the fight or if it means anything at all. What it won't do is make it worse, so why does every care so much about commenting on it so negatively? If it does not have any negative affect on you personally and does not negatively affect poker itself, then why be so critical? Good for Tim to at least wanting to do/try something he thinks may help. Why do you care if it does not harm you? Help Tim if you can or want to, otherwise move on to a different topic or post.

All the negativity back and forth is soul crushing and just plain ridiculous

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This is a dude that thinks the casino gives loss reports to players.

"Hey buddy. Having difficulty affording that new 12k roof? Check your player's card to see you gave us 105k this year. Muhahaha"

Or the IRS: "Oh, you lost 90K on your player's card. Yeah, no way there could be anyone taking losses on your card to offset your wins from poker. No need to audit further; you get a clean bill of health."

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08-18-2015 , 05:39 PM

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You obviously do not understand multi-factor authentication then.

Well, considering you've never applied for a passport, that does not matter to me. We talking retina scans? Yeah, that's sounds like civil IDs. Retina scans for the win. 1980, here we come.

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08-18-2015 , 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

It could easily be made a crime with legislation. It should be fairly obvious that all of this would require government introduce and pass legislation; this is obviously not self-imposed.

There isn't any need for additional legislation. See e.g.

NRS 205.380 Obtaining money, property, rent or labor by false pretenses.

1. A person who knowingly and designedly by any false pretense obtains from any other person any chose in action, money, goods, wares, chattels, effects or other valuable thing, including rent or the labor of another person not his or her employee, with the intent to cheat or defraud the other person, is a cheat, and, unless otherwise prescribed by law, shall be punished:

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08-18-2015 , 05:45 PM

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08-18-2015 , 05:45 PM

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Well, considering you've never applied for a passport, that does not matter to me. We talking retina scans? Yeah, that's sounds like civil IDs. Retina scans for the win. 1980, here we come.

Please, stop. Read up on multi-factor authentication then get back to us.

Last edited by Roger Clemens; 08-18-2015 at 05:46 PM. Reason: I guess 1980 ~ 1984 for govt. purposes.

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08-18-2015 , 05:48 PM

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The crime, correct. The requirement that casinos vet their players through some kind of authentication, I don't believe so.

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08-18-2015 , 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Land O Lakes

What are you rambling on about here? Maybe you have me confused with someone else? To me, this is an 8 year old puking all over their keyboard......

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08-18-2015 , 05:57 PM

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Even if Sheldon Adelson (R.I.P.) truly believes that internet gambling will lead to the downfall of society, he still can't quit scumbagging long enough to not lie and cheat to get his way. There's 60 years of data to support this across the board, all across the globe. He'll says he'll spend whatever it takes to defeat internet gambling, but won't do the same to clean up his own house. That should tell you all you need to know. FU and your fiji water Sheldon.

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08-18-2015 , 05:58 PM

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From the Station Casinos web site:

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Request Your Win/Loss Statement

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08-18-2015 , 06:05 PM

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You do know passports can be fake too, just like a fake ID right? Not as prevalent of course, but just because someone uses a passport for ID purposes does not mean they have necessarily been 'substantiated by a body far more through than Honeywell'.

Whatever 'through than Honeywell' means.

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08-18-2015 , 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

If you are claiming that the ovewhelming majority slots and poker players do not use players cards, then LOL.

Just the fact that the majority of players use players cards dismisses the notion that requiring ID is off limits.

Also, many big players prefer to use players cards so their losses can be obtained by the player for tax purposes.

If the casino would not need to go to great lengths to stop advantage players, then they could open many more games with liberal rules that would probably increase play and hold.

I did not remotely suggest that the majority of players don't use cards. And you really have no idea what you're talking about.

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08-18-2015 , 07:44 PM

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Lol at player card for taxes. You know how much any of my player cards show wins and losses? $0. I only swipe it so that it substantiates my poker log that says I was at abc casino at xyz time in the event I'm ever audited again. Since the other dude deals bj, do player cards keep track of pit game wins/losses?

Yes, they track cash in, cheques out. Of course the chips out isn't extremely accurate because alot of players will either go south during play or not color up. Obv if the play is somewhat big they're nearly always coloring up.

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08-18-2015 , 07:52 PM

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Land o Lakes, they absolutely do give win/loss reports at the end of the year by request. As mentioned before, table games ones aren't completely accurate, but your slot and video poker ones are accurate to the dollar coined in and paid out.

Clemens, player cards are absolutely not identification in anyway. And again you have no idea what you're talking about, and why are you even talking about games with better rules? You don't think the casinos know which games hold better? Why give good blackjack when the 6:5 and other ****ty rule games are still full? Not that that is in anyway relevant to this topic.

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08-18-2015 , 09:07 PM

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You say stuff like this and I don't know what I'm talking about.

At least you acknowledge me being correct on loss reporting. Other than that you have no clue.

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08-18-2015 , 09:15 PM

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Do you realize his casino offers a sportsbetting app that can be used anywhere in the state of Nevada?

IN MY HOME! IN MY BEDROOM! Where my wife sleeps... where my children come and play with their toys. In my home.

What are you missing?

would the legislation shelly is backing make this app illegal? funny quote, milken and trepp still run around up there?

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08-18-2015 , 10:10 PM

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He'll says he'll spend whatever it takes to defeat internet gambling, but won't do the same to clean up his own house. That should tell you all you need to know. FU and your fiji water Sheldon.

The fact that some street punks went into his casino and hotel and committed crimes there doesn't reflect in any way on Adelson. And their crimes do not become more legitimate by the mere claim that they are "journalists attempting to expose his hypocrisy."

"Reporter's privilege in the United States (also journalist's privilege, newsman's privilege, or press privilege), is a "reporter's protection under constitutional or statutory law, from being compelled to testify about confidential information or sources." It may be described in the US as a qualified (limited) First Amendment right..."

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08-18-2015 , 10:20 PM

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My 2 cents:

OP is doing the best that he can w/ what he has to work with and the vid was ok. Sometimes things like this go viral and have a huge impact but the real problem here is that internet poker, and especially full-blown internet casinos, are so far down on the list of voter concerns that getting national legislation is very unlikely any time soon. I think the best route is state by state (dangle the tax money) and if enough states allow it and combine pools the Feds will have to take notice.

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08-18-2015 , 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BadlyBeaten

how much are you being paid by Adelson?????

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08-18-2015 , 11:59 PM

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Valid points. If any of the employees identifications are verified, they're subject to fines and termination, loss of licenses...

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08-19-2015 , 12:01 AM

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You say stuff like this and I don't know what I'm talking about.

At least you acknowledge me being correct on loss reporting. Other than that you have no clue.

I acknowledge that to inform Land o Lakes, not a concession to you.

What is it that I was wrong about?

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08-19-2015 , 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Wyldhorses

Yes lets attack him so we can get online poker back!

You know, so we can be cheated again, have our money stole again, have people working for the sites who can see our cards and cheat us out of money like they did at Ultimate Bet, Absolute poker - and how many others....

Yeah, but at least we can have some fun in the meantime with an outside shot at scoring in a big tournament or winning a satellite seat to the WSOP.

That's better than having to pay for "play money" games.

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08-19-2015 , 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Clemens

Please, stop. Read up on multi-factor authentication then get back to us.

Cite the links since you don't think I know what it means.

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What are you rambling on about here? Maybe you have me confused with someone else? To me, this is an 8 year old puking all over their keyboard......

Lol, of course by "This dude thinks" I was not talking about you, I was talking about Roger in a, "**** this guy, he thinks..." kind of way.

He's sky high if he thinks player card transaction reports can substantiate an IRS filing.

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Originally Posted by Ace upmy Slv

No ****, which is why I stated that a passport is the most secure form of civil ID which be counterfeited fairly well, so a player's card means jack **** in terms of identification.

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08-19-2015 , 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Bighurt52235

Thanks, I'd imagine by request, for sure. It's probably law, and the casinos certainly like to track as much loss as they can for obv reasons, but lol @ this guy thinking people use it for taxes (well, thinking that it's a legitimate profit/loss tax document, since, as before, a player's card ID means jack **** and even less to the IRS).

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