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Originally Posted by Ansky
We also discussed the removal of VPPs for high stakes cash. We were, again, presented with a rather unconvincing study on the relative shares of deposits captured by PokerStars and by players winning in these games. In both this data and the SNG data, they tended to present the results of the biggest winners, or ignore the results of players who put in high volume and lost, in ways that systematically overstated how much pros in these games could or did win.
This is exactly they did in the meeting I was in 2,5 years ago (back then we were discussing basically just PLO iirc). They presented the stats in a super absurd way that we were not allowed to describe because of the NDA, and I'm like 99% they did the exact same thing here. We also came underprepared for that exact presentation they offered, and they even fooled half of the representatives (back then half of us were recreationals from other forums) with the way they represented it. People were like, oh cool this proves it, nothing wrong with the amount of rake they take, next subject pls, and I will admit that it took me a while personally too to figure out what they were doing. Then when we asked to see stats in a different (one might say, standard) way, they declined. The only way they allowed us to see anything even under the NDA was this one very strange way of showing the statistics, and they had clearly spent quite a lot of time to figure out how to do the presentation in a way that would make us convinced, and they were hoping we wouldn't realize what they were doing. They are very, very good at that stuff.
Just mainly posting to point out that this happened almost a year before Amaya took over, so I don't think using ridic methods to represent their data to fool the representatives is an Amaya thing.
(For clarity's sake - they are not showing anything that isn't true, and they are not making anything up. They are just showing hand-picked bits and pieces of their data using methods that work strongly in their favour to prove their point.)
Thanks guys for giving it a shot at least. Ansky et al, do you have any plans for the future yet wrt the whole $AYA-gate?
Last edited by Chuck Bass; 01-24-2016 at 01:54 AM.