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09-21-2011 , 08:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Money4Aces
is Durrrr's Q&A session over? I know he left off last night to shtfaced to continue but have any mods been intouch with him in regards to getting this thread going again?
sorry been a really busy day, had to wake up at 630 for the fox news interview, and then hopped on a flight outta vegas. have done a buncha interviews today and will continue to do more- but not planning on leaving this thread out. rj pmd me a buncha questions that people raised and i'll answer those now.
09-21-2011 , 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tdomeski
How is this possible? I mean, a bunch of people knew of this (high stakes players, low stakes players, railbirds, etc). I'm in a fairly large poker circle, and I'd guess that 75% of them knew about this echeck deposit issue that FTP was having.

Hell, there is a huge thread here in one of the busiest subforums of the busiest poker forum on the internet about the whole thing.

How could you all directly involved with FTP not know aobut this until after BF? I don't get it.
i wired them $$ i think twice in 2011, but i think i had heard of the check deposit issue. that said the amount of $$ ftp was dropping in revenue was staggering (and i had a rough guess on this but it was even more than i thought), and i figured a few million here or there in processor issues weren't a big deal. Don't remember ever seeing that thread.
09-21-2011 , 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Fogofwar
Tom,
I'm not sure if this had been asked yet, but do you feel like the high stakes poker scene would have never exploded the way it did if some of the top guys in ownership never got paid what they did?
I feel like some of them never would have been able to beat a 10/20nl game let alone 1k/2k if they were not kinda freerolling with the money they were getting.

P.S. thanks for doing what you are atm
theres a few things that caused the huge explosion in nosebleeds online, and while ftp pros having a ton of extra cash obviously didn't hurt (especially the bad ones), it wasn't the main reason. i don't really wanna extrapolate on these kinda things b/c I'm pretty private about my thoughts on the highstakes economy/fish etc- but I'm sure other highstakes players wouldn't mind answering this- maybe someone like jman or stinger will jump in n give ya a better answer
09-21-2011 , 09:05 PM
seems really silly of AGCC to pull ftp's license. they're trying to cover their own asses here since they shoulda been on the line for making sure the player $$ was there and never allowing this to happen. pulling the AGCC license is definitely not in the best interest of the players, and the chance of a deal getting done is plenty high enough for AGCC to give ftp more time.

again not to sanction or condone ftp's ridiculous actions- but the doj and agcc both fk'd up pretty bad also
09-21-2011 , 09:18 PM
What follows will be a series of posts that contain questions I pulled out of the unanswered questions yesterday, followed by durr's responses. These are direct cut and pastes from my PM, as I'm sure durr will confirm.
09-21-2011 , 09:19 PM
Q: Do you know if any other FTP pros have been or are going to be targeted by the DOJ? Have you been questioned by the DOJ? Will you testify if necessary?

Tom's A: haven't been contacted. i have a notoriously bad memory but if i think people are doing the right thing for the right reasons, i'll try to think extra hard and remember every event that i can- if i think they have the wrong reasons i might need to drink extra to cope, and that doesn't help my memory. hi doj

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09-21-2011 , 09:20 PM
Q: When did you become aware that FTP was mismanaged? At what point were you aware of the SEVERITY of FTP's mismanagement?

Tom's A: sometime in late april, i could find the travel records i think it was 25th or 26th

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09-21-2011 , 09:20 PM
Q: Do you know why other FTP pros have not been willing to answer questions?

Tom's A: some just don't know much, some don't know what to think, and many don't wanna open up a can of worms or be put in a tough spot even though they feel really bad and are really pissed at what happened.

Last edited by SGT RJ; 09-21-2011 at 09:29 PM.
09-21-2011 , 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Karak
What level of involvement did Team Full Tilt Pros (such as yourself) have in the day-to-day operations of FTP? What knowledge did you have of internal workings and were you ever consulted on business/operational decisions?

What about just limiting the above questions to Howard and Chris? What level of involvement did THEY have and what part in the daily operations of the $$-side of FTP did they take?
if i had involvement in day to day- there would've never been multi-entry tournaments (or maybe 1-2/wk), there would've been a fix for the bum hunters (i've told ftp and stars both this and after much pressure ftp was finally about to implement it), and many other issues. that said the management did build the company to one with over a billion valuation (in my eyes- in optimistic people it might've been higher for longer) from basically nothing, so they clearly did many things right.

chris always seemed way less interested than seemed rational to me- but i guess that's just the way he wanted to live his life, or possibly the image he wanted to portray. howard was trying to limit his involvement in the last year or two, i dunno how effective he was at this but he seemed to be distancing himself a bunch.
09-21-2011 , 09:21 PM
Q: Do you know who the active shareholders/decision makers are, and if so, who are they?

Tom's A: the board was ray (ceo), howard, rafe, chris. the cfo should also be looked at obviously. the owners in general were super pissed and willing to do everything they could to get the players paid

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09-21-2011 , 09:21 PM
Q: Do you think (or know) if anyone at FTP was aware that something big/bad was coming before Black Friday?

Tom's A: if they were i'd think there would've been options they'd have. i was on a uso tour with howard from apr 8-14th, and he's a nit so he's not good at hiding big bluffs... i'd be really surprised if he knew anything specific

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09-21-2011 , 09:22 PM
Q: Do you know who was responsible for the decision to start floating/loaning players money?

Tom's A: no, i know that the person they had in place before rich mismanaged it a lot, and gave way too much $$ out to people they shouldn't have. rich seemed to do a pretty good job to me

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09-21-2011 , 09:23 PM
Q: Were you aware of how much FTP paid out to pros? If so, were you bothered by this?

Tom's A: i was surprised to hear the total number, i woulda guessed it was 1/3 to 1/2... and i think it was a bit excessive.

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09-21-2011 , 09:23 PM
Q: Do you know why the investor dropped out?

Tom's A: there were many different potential investors and varying reasons for them dropping out. some are still interested i don't know the degrees of that though. the investor that was the reason behind the la times interview was a huge focus of ftp for about 2months, and i think he simply didn't have the $$ that he claimed to have (i think he thought he could get the deal done and was just slightly off). not gonna go into anymore specifics, think this guy likes privacy, sry.

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09-21-2011 , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by sauce123
If this has been asked obv don't answer again...

Why did you think holding back important information with regard to FTP was the best way to get the players paid ?
i thought the likelihood of players being paid was very high, and also i had 0 option to disclose any information about numbers or specifics unless it was to the southern district. if you look at all my replies in this thread and assume u didn't read the doj material (or have that as a background) u'd be really pissed that it seemed i was beating around the bush and ignoring the elephant in the room. doj fixed that issue for me. between the la times article and 2weeks ago i didn't want to spook the potential investor who seemed very serious (and kept thinking a decision was days away for 2months).
09-21-2011 , 09:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FishyOnADishy
Is that the best you can do? FTP's 'ridiculous' actions? Stealing hundreds of millions of $ is merely 'ridiculous'?
i don't think its fair to pick apart my wording like that. obviously i'm super pissed about everything ftp did, and super disgusted they don't have the player funds, i'm merely pointing out that doj and AGCC shouldn't get a free pass just because they were less bad.
09-21-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperJez
Two questions for durrrr thanks again

First of all yesterday he posted this in the thread,


My first question :

What makes you say this? Did the DOJ basically tell FTP to pay the players or they will hand out more indicments? Did they say they would not seek the extradition of Bitar if the players are paid or something? Please clarify on how management knew that paying the players/not playing the players would have a direct effect on their chances of facing jail.


My second question :

Directly after blackfriday up until a couple of weeks ago FTP mostly kept everyone silent. There were a couple of leaks tho, you tweeted a couple of things, Mike Matusow came on QJ and slipped into some FTP related convo etc. However a couple of weeks ago this changed from occasional slips to TOTAL SILENCE FROM EVERYONE ASSOCIATED AT ALL WITH FTP. How on earth did they manage this? Poker Players are freedom lovers and stopping them talking when they want to is hard enough at the best of times let alone stopping EVERYTHING. What pressure did they use to do this?
my regular phone broke, so only my backup phone had twitter (i dunno the pw).

as far as them going to jail- a huge amount of citizens (who can vote) are going to lose $$ if ftp goes bust, a bit of extrapolation puts management in court and they have a hard case to fight if the players aren't paid.
09-21-2011 , 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
Q: Do you think (or know) if anyone at FTP was aware that something big/bad was coming before Black Friday?

A: if they were i'd think there would've been options they'd have. i was on a uso tour with howard from apr 8-14th, and he's a nit so he's not good at hiding big bluffs... i'd be really surprised if he knew anything specific



IDK, seems like if Bitar didn't know, it would be a lot to expect others to know.
My friend's cousin is a red pro and successful live player from California. He was told that he got info a week ahead of time and that he should cash out. I believe he got all his money out. I am not going to give names. I will ask my friend to get confirmation.
09-21-2011 , 11:07 PM
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Originally Posted by B T R O M Z
Durrrr, if u somehow get jail time will u consider paying that guy to go to jail for u?
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/54...dwane-1099316/
yes
09-21-2011 , 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Shuffle
People keep dancing around the topic, but I'd still like to know why the pros were getting "loans" with depositor money.
Extremely shady.
i'd assume none (or at least the vast majority) of the pros knew that the depositor $$ wasn't safe/preferably held in escrow
09-21-2011 , 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CaliStyle
My friend's cousin is a red pro and successful live player from California. He was told that he got info a week ahead of time and that he should cash out. I believe he got all his money out. I am not going to give names. I will ask my friend to get confirmation.
i'll pay u 5k for proof of this (even if u need me to keep it private). this would be an enormous game changer.
09-23-2011 , 03:47 PM
Subject: Poker Interview with Tom Dwan: http://www.subjectpoker.com/2011/09/...ftp-interview/
09-28-2011 , 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by JohnnyDrama030
someone asked this on one of the early pages and i think you didnt answer.

did you inform some of your euro friends to cash out/not deposit anymore when u knew about all the stuff after black friday while non us players were still playing/depositing?


you knew about all this when non us players were still making deposits/not cashing out on full tilt and thought its in players interests to not tell them they are burning there money?
i felt really sick about it but didn't talk to any friends about cashing out for the few weeks after i learned how bad a shape ftp was in. ive since explained to all them why and i think/hope everyone understands my reasoning. i just said something like 'really can't say anything sry'- although to people that knew me that mighta been a bit of a warning sign by itself.
09-28-2011 , 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tamiller866
Tom,

Can you elaborate on what seems like a bizarre coincidence of you going busto on FT for perhaps the first time ever while you happen to be on tour with HL just before BF?
lol i wish that was the 1st time i busted my ftp account. happened pretty regularly- there'd be no games for a while then all of the sudden a buncha 500-1ks would popup.
09-28-2011 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by yesright
Tom, you said on the podcast you went to Ireland at the end of April.

Are you saying you went to Ireland and you didnt speak to any of the main guys like Ray Bitar when you were dealing with a negotiation of possible investors interested in the company?
i tried many times. texted ray and howard a bunch, chris a few times. its completely ridiculous that they didn't talk to me (they had regularly before black friday- including about one very impt business deal)- i helped broker a deal before black friday between 2 of the potential investors in the group and ftp that was close to completing before black friday happened (but then irrelevant once it did), so it was extremely ridiculous and negligent that they didn't let me help fix the problem they were in. so ridiculous that they made me a part of the group's nda, yet didn't call or talk to me once until a few days after i left ireland (i probably called/ texted them 30+ times total- and for anyone that knows me- if i text twice something's up, b/c im a lazy fker).

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Originally Posted by yesright
go if you wernt directly involved or never even talked to anyone?
i went because my friend asked me to. i didn't even know what the problem was until a bit after i showed up- he just told me i had to trust him and had to go. i talked with this group of potential investors many times a day

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Originally Posted by yesright
you make an effort to speak to Ray?
answered above

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Originally Posted by yesright
have to ask, did you use the opportunity in Ireland to remove funds from FTP?
answered this already a bunch- had busted my account. everyone i staked i told i couldn't answer anything and i still have a bit of $$ on there from people i stake

      
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