yes, i think he was misled and misguided- but at the time i (and many others) agreed with his actions, and i cant blame him for being misled. i think his reasoning was good (but wrong) and i think his intentions were good.

i might be a bit biased about this b/c i really like the guy, so theres a small chance im being blinded and hes a huge scumbag or w/e, but i really think hes a good dude.

only way he wouldnt show his face is if im wrong about the above.

lol. i wouldn't be wasting my time with this thread if they were anywhere near close ;(

ya, the software's worth a bit. the money owed by us players who they credited funds to are worth something between 0 and a huge amount. i'm inclined to believe they get 20c or so worst case, hopefully more.

id definitely take 20-1 that ftp pays out right now. i think its a bit >10% but wouldn't take 10-1 b/c i've already got an insane amount riding on it.

they never turned down an official offer that would cover player funds and legal liability afaik. i really really think i would know if they did. i think there were some things done that were not in the best interest of the players and very much mismanagement. there were quite a few times that they failed to extrapolate that they could probably get a sufficient offer... but this is my opinion and maybe im just biased and hopeful. Their reasoning was bad imo but not completely criminal/flawed.

im never going to be a part of another bank or thing which acts like a bank without having it audited. fk getting freerolled.

i mean i havent gotten paid since black friday, but i also owe them money. i'll pay what i owe whenever theres a new investor, or a credible liquidator- if not i'll give the $$ to players in whatever way i think is most fair and also legal.

if you give me a good reason why i should do this yea. seems like id be freerolling myself tho.

varied a lot player to player- hopefully some other sponsored pros will come in here and mention theirs. i feel a little less required to mention mine since im giving all the $$ back, but i feel like people who arent giving all $$ back at least owe the information of what their contract was to the community. feel free to explain why my reasoning's wrong and if u convince me ill go into more detail.

i mean cmon, would i be doing this thread if i was knowingly getting paid with player deposits instead of sitting in costa rica w/ a buncha blow?

obviously that would've made me feel terrible and i wouldve insta-quit ftp and gone whistleblower if they didnt shut down at least us deposits had i found out about a gaping player fund hole pre black-fri.

i don't think i should be publicly saying that, im not a judge. i think there should be ramifications for sure for anyone who knew about the hole and sanctioned it.

they never stopped doing it from late 2010- read the doj report

they didnt uphold their end of the contract (i explicitly wanted to be able to play all poker tv shows), and ftp loaning me $$ along with letting me slack off work wise barely kept me ok staying there. I also (regrettably) liked a bunch of the owners (some of them i dont now some i still do some undecided). i owe them less than the total number they paid me but i'll pay both back in similar fashion (the same unless theres some legal issue). if a deal is close to being signed i'll post my $$ in escrow, or if the management is changed i'll ship it tomorrow.

haha its worth way more $$ than i have. if u can get a bank to give me a loan id buy it for 20m in a heartbeat.

i could guess but dont think its advantageous to at this point. my guess wouldnt be that accurate fwiw.

couldn't i just have like 20 respected people from the community see it/ see my email showing it was untampered etc. jus seems like im opening up an unnecessary can of worms for myself. plus i kinda deserve 2p2s trust once i pay back over 1m i'd think . that and being able to sleep better are about all i get out of it lol

any payout will be done in a fair and transparent way. there is no line there will be no line and no preferential treatment. everyone will have the same (or as close as possible depending on costs etc) chance at their $$.

id assume i wouldve known about it if this happened b/c there were times i wanted $$ on ftp and had lotsa bellag chips. idk of it ever happening but there are rumors. i'd tend to believe no, or if it did prolly back in the day. more likely it was just people trading cash for ftp (and howard/phil/ whoever else having ftp $$ in their own account).

i didn't have any profit sharing in my contract (i'll dig it up to verify its possible there was a crazy negligible amount). was never offered equity by the company, altho there were occasional times individuals mentioned they might sell shares (happened regularly ish before black fri- i dont think anything suspicious).

ya i'll do interviews w/ anyone who wants.

not my job to mention people's personal details, im sorry. my reasons were just to have more liquidity/ no liquidity probs (when ppl owed $$ or was coming from somewhere etc) and id assume most other people's were the same. some definitely borrowed $$ they couldn't repay tho. i really don't think phil was the 2nd group.

a lot of the owners have mentioned they'd like to, or they wanted to guarantee money etc. im inclined to believe a lot of them legitimately wanted to. i dunno how many actually will.

im not too fond of him lately. haven't talked to him since apr 17th or so, but its not for lack of trying. I dont think he intended to steal or cost people money fwiw (not to justify his actions).

lol aren't i already under public scrutiny? i'll answer any questions i think are relevant, or that a majority of people seem to think are. any that don't fall in that category i'll have a discussion as to why they might be relevant. If you ask me for some big fishes' contact info tho, or my personal phone number, or when i took my last **** im not jus gonna pony up unless im convinced its either relevant or not bad for me. speaking of not bad for me- last **** ws 3ish hrs ago

if i did im pretty sure the doj will send me to jail... and im pretty sure they'll subpoena a ton of contracts.

the big question is who knew about it, and when they found out. this is what people should be asking.

i think most of the people who owe ftp $$ would've been willing to pay it back at just about any point if it meant a deal getting done. Some were eager to pay it back but didnt want it to go to hands which might misuse it.