I'm just playing devil's advocate. If you took your real job out of the equation, you might be considered a pro. If it's skill we are using to determine pro status, no offense man but, you might be a pro.

In my opinion, when you just eliminate everything, and allow the game to be played as it should, with your brain and two/4 cards dealt, it would make it a lot easier to detect people using something outside of this norm. What we have now is subjective hierarchies of leveling, arguing who gets what advantage over what segregation of player type. If stars truly want what they claim, reverting the game back to fun, than ban these tools and hire more staff/equipment to enforce it.

I think the definition of a professional sums up what a poker pro is pretty easily

pro·fes·sion·al
prəˈfeSH(ə)n(ə)l/
adjective
1.
of, relating to, or connected with a profession.
"young professional people"
synonyms: white-collar, nonmanual
"people in professional occupations"
2.
(of a person) engaged in a specified activity as one's main paid occupation rather than as a pastime.
"a professional boxer"
synonyms: paid, salaried
"a professional rugby player

Therefor someone who plays occasionally but is a good winner is simply a very good rec. Someone who devotes more time and effort and conducts themselves in "professional" manner but only plays/works part time is a "semi-pro" who could easily become professional if just devoting full time hours.

+1 this guy seems to understand the real issue with huds/software tools

good post

There are a ton of new accounts flooding Pokerstars heads up 7$ and 15$ turbo from 10 games played to a few hundred and grinding suddenly. Anyone who knows the environment knows this is extremely shady and can be either one of two things, a regular ghosting/playing a new account to remain anonymous or the player has periodically played here and there other games sporadically and magically has decided to grind these and play belarus/russia nit bot style, thus the account is taken over. I want to know if these accounts are being properly verified before they are allowed to fleece these games. Alerts should be popping up on all of them as pertaining to playing unusual games as per there norm and given the traffic it shouldn't be hard to out them.

Define a ton. Is it really that rare for random accounts to be grinding small hu sngs?

lots, for instance accounts playing 1$ 6 mans, micro sats, than all of a sudden one day 15$ grinders playing GTO and obviously game selecting. I thought spin and go were popular for the new players, looks like we have newbies all giving a shot at hu and playing amazing

I'm familiar with these games and haven't noticed anything strange lately. Could you post SNs and more details?

BTW this seems more like a thread for the HUSNG subforum. I don't mean to knock you but you haven't posted anything earth shattering.

Also due to the nature of HUSNGs it's not uncommon for someone to give them a try and then play a bunch of them. Some people can do well short term and not realize they're losing.

new $15 husng grinders playing GTO? games are dead, thank you for bringing another issue into the eyes of the public, hornykiss

1. Literally solve poker
2. ???
3. Profit!

Turns out step two was multiaccount $15 HUSNGs

If I can ever play GTO the first place you'll find me is $15 sngs

It is just Hasting OP, move along

At least there is no colusion going on.

Loose a few BI's OP?

lol ... isn't OP this 'alarmed rec player'?

c'mon, how can you say, ur just an average rec and now you keep track of which players are new. so either you use HUDs and play regularly (which basically describes you as a reg), or this thread is bollocks (or both threads are bollocks)

anyway ... if you want creating random threads with 'scary headlines', stay here in NVG, if you want help, then head over to internet sub. BUT you won't get any help, if you don't have any infos like a list of player names or any real info

edit:

prolly just this ...

Probably bots either house bots or player account bots

Must be part of the New changes stars was telling us about . . .

Are these hyper's or just reg turbo hu sngs ? I'm assuming reg but wanna be clear.

Instead of being a smartass / troll - May I suggest providing a little more information to make your post more credible because as it stands it does not seem all that unusual or shady tbh - Sounds like player pool variance.

Be more specific. Provide more info not just intuition.

In 2014 I emailed Pokerstars over initially bot concerns of a particular player that frequents a stake heads up, based on his enormous game volume, style of play, never talking, length of sessions and frequency of sessions. It was clear I was not the only one to voice them. In 2015, I did the same, up until now. This player continues, almost day in and day out to flood the heads up and I have asked to have this player barred from sitting me , despite Pokerstars claims this is not a bot. At this point, I do not care, it is not in any way enjoyable to play someone 4-5 tabling heads up playing like a bot, with 100k plus games, obviously raking a fortune. It is clear today, I this player was flooding the games when I went to sleep, and is still flooding them now 9 hours later, that if this is not a bot, and not a shared account, that he/she/it is using tools such as scripts to hunt me, and others. I sat a stake higher up than the stake this account floods, and immediately, within 5 seconds, despite this player 4 tabling a lower stake sat me. How is this possible unless using some sort of unfair, advantage table/seating script. Pokerstars, your claims of wanting fun, friendly poker and allowing this to continue makes your claims fake, phony and self serving.
Since there are only one table available to sit heads up turbos now, there should be some sort of protocol in place that disables one player from sitting another in more than one game at a time, and certainly two, to protect the integrity of these games. I am also angered at your continued refusal to stop this player from sitting me, despite your claims it is not a bot. If it isn;t it clearly is using tools I am not, that you have been inexcusably slow in banning and I do not want this player sitting my games. I know 110% that you can block certain players from sitting others in small formats and there should be something done about this. I play for fun for the most part, and even sit regs who sit first, however this eastern european account is clearly one of the predatory accounts ruining this game type I have played for many years and love.
Give me refunds for all games sat by this player from 2014, my initial request until now since you care so much about "making poker fun again". I am not concerned about wins and losses, at all actually. It's the disregard for the environment player like this is creating for casual players. I got so inspired listening to Jason Sommerville on tv chanting "lets make poker great again" yet the reality of games I love playing is this crap.

-Suggestions. Ban this player and those like him from sitting recreational games
-Implement a "sitting cap" whereby one player cannot sit another simultaneously or so many times in a row, etc.
-build in some sort of "block feature" this disabling another to find them.

Hahhaa. Are you serious?
Somebody that obviously beats you, is sitting & playing you (with perhaps a semi-legal tool like a table scanner and/or seating script) and you're crying about it?

Dude, this is poker.... Just by reading your post, i want to sit you, since you're clearly not a good/confident player...


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I take it he's been crushing you for years.

scripters on average are weaker players than guys who play regwars. and in most cases u'll play with regs only (hello to negreanu and his 2% of client base) even without scripts. so as a result your deposits are lasting longer

Yeah, I have no idea how he manages to find you. Such a mystery. Could only be advanced software. There's really no other way, right?

Internet poker is such a joke. All of you should just abondon ship.

edit: lol @ thinking this guy isn't believable.

Then change your screen name.

If your site won't let you then change site.

Pretty much this. Solution -----> Live Poker