Agree also.

this totally screws some very good HU players that just aren't quite at the top for a certain stake. also yeah youre going to have some top 10 HU players playing 2/5 zoom. wont really hurt me financially but its obviously a super lame move by PS (what else is new!?).

Yes it is a very big deal.

NL50-100z: will run fine
NL200z: Will die out quickly until regs realize there is no winrate in a pool of 20+ semi capable 4 tabling regs.

NL500z: Will never run, unless a fish joins (which happens 3-4 times a day)
NL1kz+: dead

So you can fairly say, that stars killed HU with this move.

This pretty much. I just came back to poker and I would like to thank PS for making it a short endeavor.

wow, i just realised that when solid ms playerd will be forced to move down, they might move to small stakes, which could really screw up the pools (with rake at 11bb/100 at nl50, you need pretty big edges). I've already had some nl1k players sitting me at nl50 after the koth was introduced, would hate to see it happen with zoom as well.

Have to point out that ZOOM is in effect a very strict KotH. If a fish sit the best 3 regs at a stake will all play 4 tables, and worse regs won't be profitable in that lineup. The fish will play ~all his hands vs the very best regs, and have even more losing sessions.

Can't believe I just thought of this, but HU ZOOM with a one table cap might actually be good for HU


*edit* just to be clear, I think the current system is ~the best possible and doesn't need changing. Feels like the next step towards removing HU to me.

I guess the new regime at Stars doesn't like the fact that at the moment,for example, at all blind levels there are:

350 tables that have a single player waiting, 25 active tables, and 3 zoom tables with a total of 25 active players.

In their misguided view, that is probably why they see this as a good idea. Except it's not and it will just force fish to lose their money faster and push the skill levels down the ecosystem.

If you're not a top player at your stake, you just got your income potential cut in half or more.

Hu regs traditionally play on more than just stars.

So instead of letting the fish at least play the top 100 players in the world, they are now letting the fish only play the top 3 guys in the world. How could this is ANY WAY be a better environment for the recreational player? Wow Amaya, you are really trying to destroy onlinepoker, aren't you?

Also lets not forget their again ridic 3 day warning timeline to let all the hu regs that are not one of the best in the world that their getting F'ed.

Seems in line with the way the current ownership / management has made decisions. My question is why it makes more sense to do this for heads up and not just make all games like this.

What does this mean for the durrr challenge?

been playing hu cash for 5 years now, still havent got my email

who the f cares about a challenge which will never happen anyways? durrr is done, hes stuck with dangerous guys in a foreign country.

When a fish plays (I assume that in HU when two regs are close enough in skill to actually battle, both are usually losing to rake long-term - and therefore reg vs reg games cannot sustain the poker economy), how many regs get to play with them?

I saw this move coming and compared to other things they are going to do it's pretty tame. Obviously sucks for players who play HU for a living.

in a 6max game, you are forced to play a certain amounts of hands vs regs in order to get to play some hands vs the mark. In koth hu it's the same, except that those events are more separated in time.

seriously, at least learn how to read before writing a post. He wrote that recs can ONLY play top players now, which is the exact opposite of what you wrote, and it will certainly make them lose faster.

You're just clueless about the current HU enviroment and you're making assumptions that are not true.

I'll try to explain it for you and EVERYONE ELSE coming to this thread with an "they finally got rid of the bumhunters" attitude.

Stars introduced a KOTH system a few months ago, the time where weak bumhunters are only waiting for recs are long over.
It's not an perfect system and has it's flaws, but it's better than anything that came before it.

Now they're getting rid of all regular tables and leaving HU Zoom as the only option.
I can't stress it enough, but HU ZOOM is a completely different game with different dynamics, that is almost impossible to beat after rake the more regs are in the pool.

Ecosystem guys. Think of the children. For Gods sake think of the children!

zoom=killing actual poker
zoom only hu=lol wtf

It is terrible news.

It would be very boring for fish to play always vs same few guys (2/5 and up).

I somewhat agree with this.

I completely agree with this.

So yeah, forcing a situation where any reg who continues to play a part can multiply themselves up to 4x seems regressive and/or favouritist towards the superbosses at the expense of everybody else. Has anyone heard or thought of a single way in which this might be an improvement over KotH?

Yah I get to play now