With a rake of 7% up to 3€ and a preflop rake of 2%... So pokerstars took 0% of the governement taxes in charge and made any cash game form unprofitable. Just for information on pokerstars.com rake is 5% up to 2€ without preflop rake.

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PokerStars Game #46167091537: Hold'em No Limit (€0.05/€0.10 EUR) - 2010/06/30 14:24:34 CET [2010/06/30 8:24:34 ET]
Table 'Pirola' 6-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 1: enzo093 (€7.71 in chips)
Seat 2: Admin17100 (€8.44 in chips)
Seat 3: flavinio563 (€2.95 in chips)
Seat 4: Milouser (€2.48 in chips)
Seat 5: Gui03200 (€10.91 in chips)
Seat 6: jiph (€15.73 in chips)
enzo093: posts small blind €0.05
Admin17100: posts big blind €0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
flavinio563: raises €0.40 to €0.50
Milouser: folds
Gui03200: folds
jiph: folds
enzo093: folds
Admin17100: folds
Uncalled bet (€0.40) returned to flavinio563
flavinio563 collected €0.24 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot €0.25 | Rake €0.01
Seat 1: enzo093 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: Admin17100 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: flavinio563 collected (€0.24)
Seat 4: Milouser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Gui03200 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jiph (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)

PokerStars Game #46166991641: Hold'em No Limit (€0.05/€0.10 EUR) - 2010/06/30 14:20:39 CET [2010/06/30 8:20:39 ET]
Table 'Pirola' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: enzo093 (€6.66 in chips)
Seat 2: Admin17100 (€7.75 in chips)
Seat 3: flavinio563 (€5 in chips)
Seat 4: Milouser (€2.63 in chips)
Seat 5: Gui03200 (€11.87 in chips)
Seat 6: jiph (€14.92 in chips)
Admin17100: posts small blind €0.05
flavinio563: posts big blind €0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Milouser: folds
Gui03200: folds
jiph: folds
enzo093: folds
Admin17100: calls €0.05
flavinio563: checks
*** FLOP *** [Qd Tc Ts]
Admin17100: checks
flavinio563: bets €0.20
Admin17100: calls €0.20
*** TURN *** [Qd Tc Ts] [4h]
Admin17100: checks
flavinio563: checks
*** RIVER *** [Qd Tc Ts 4h] [8h]
Admin17100: bets €0.20
flavinio563: calls €0.20
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Admin17100: shows [6h Th] (three of a kind, Tens)
flavinio563: mucks hand
Admin17100 collected €0.93 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot €1 | Rake €0.07
Board [Qd Tc Ts 4h 8h]
Seat 1: enzo093 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Admin17100 (small blind) showed [6h Th] and won (€0.93) with three of a kind, Tens
Seat 3: flavinio563 (big blind) mucked
Seat 4: Milouser folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Gui03200 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: jiph folded before Flop (didn't bet)

epic fail from pokerstars.
absolutely

pokerstars is getting really greedy lately, problably want to gather as much $ as possible before online gambling gets banned everywhere

they've always been greedy. stars is run by a family in europe. ftp is run by poker players. ftp doesnt **** people over as much as stars

I disagree. Pokerstars has better support, much lower rake and reward system.

Is that 7% rake on all stakes or just micros?

While I do think that rake in online poker is high this time you are targeting the wrong institutuion. If it wasn't for the french government to make the changes it made you would have still payed normal rake. Also aren't you french guys protesting about everything, there weren't any protest about the new online gaming regulations(or where there?) so obv you want to be screwed over,or am I missing something?

wtffffff


they charge rake with no flop??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????



FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!

"they" is the french government. Stars didn't change the rake, they just added what france is demanding.

Simple. Don't play.

Vote with your damn feet.

yeah its the legislation not PS. still think pokerstars.fr will host the most profitable games around though. thinking about moving there but keeping british bank account. no tax-maximum fish, simples.

they could at least take half of the governement taxes with their " huge profit margins " (quoted from pokerstars)
anyway in a few months CG will dies because poker isn't like loto player can stand playing in -EV game if the perspective of a huge reward exists but they won't be playing in a game that slowly grind their bankroll

YOU'RE PLAYING AGAINST FRENCH ONLY.

I'd pay 25% rake to have that privilege.

rake preflop is absurd, specially for micro grinders putting some big volume

You guys grossely overestimate the skill difference between french players and others...

Look at the stats: french are not losing significantly faster/more than players from others countries...

http://www.pokertableratings.com/top-countries

Country and Winrate/100 hands
Norway $-11.80
Denmark $-11.63
Sweden $-8.20
Australia $-9.77
Netherlands $-8.00
United Kingdom $-7.37
France $-9.97
Germany $-3.95
Canada $-9.12
United States Of America $-7.44

=> Not very likely to have winrate improve, and WAY higher taxes = not much money left to be won...

Is the preflop rake uncapped?

That seems like it'll make almost everything up to MSNL unprofitable.

preflop probably capped to 1€

You can quote PTR all you want, but take out micros and i'd happily bet the MEDIAN $/BB tells a different story. I know as a heads up player if a french player sits with me as i'm closing out tables to go to sleep, I will stay up indefinitely to play them. They. Are. Horrible.

wow think of all the FPPs nom nom nom

http://www.pokerstars.fr/tournois/calendrier/

Best tournaments schedule ever..

Quote:

23:00 200 € Hold'em NL 6 max HIGH ROLLER

It's impossible to deposit more than €470/day and €1750/month and to play more than 10k euros a month. (there is no way to make supernova playing SNGs)

Last one is my biggest concern.




By the way the PTR top-countries thing is only for FullTilt and Party poker.

No offense but I would rather trust statistics on a 400 million hands sample than your impressions...

And I dont understand why you would think that french players are more likely to play micros than another population (make no sense to me).

As additional information: preflop rake effect vary a lot depending on the format, according to simulation in HU midstakes CG it would be something like a 400% increase of the rake.

As a consequence it seems that no .fr poker site will offer HU tables...

Do like the french farmers and dump cowdung infront of the government institutions. Tons of cowdung.

It's fkn insane how these incompetent ******* politicians ran by old money is so fkn all the time in the way of the internet revolution. Post the names so we can piss on their family graves.

Lets wait for an US regulation of online poker, it will obviously be tax free... erm wait ?

I like this fckn post +1

Well the US market is different in a major way than the French market. Our market is so huge that Pokerstars will likely pay for the deposit tax's that our government will require. France on the other hand has maybe 1/10 the market size we do....just totally different ballgame.