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10-02-2015 , 02:42 PM
I live in long island, NY. Can I drive to a Starbucks in North Jersey and play?

Do you have to live there? I have a distant Aunt who lives in Jersey but she hates me, so I would rather collect any winnings at my home address rather than put her down.
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10-02-2015 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby500
I live in long island, NY. Can I drive to a Starbucks in North Jersey and play?

Do you have to live there? I have a distant Aunt who lives in Jersey but she hates me, so I would rather collect any winnings at my home address rather than put her down.
As long as your in new jersey you can play even if your address is in ny
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10-02-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick_AA
Lol. Very little huh? How about a US govt mandate? There are big regulatory and tax considerations/hurdles when talking about opening US regulated poker to ROW. I think it's possible there could be a US only poker stars and separate ROW pool. And I would be 100% ok with that.

Then all you foreign **** talkers can cheat and steal each other's pennies (I know it's not most but there are some major **** talkers) while the US poker economy booms.
The hardest part, the biggest hurdle, seems to have already been tackled. NJ just needs to let Stars in. Once that happens, NJ legislators don't know dick about online poker or running any kind of international online business for that matter. It's up to Stars to say, if you allow those in NJ to only play against players in NJ, you get $X in tax revenue. If those in NJ can play with the whole player pool, the State gets $Y in tax revenue where Y >>> X.

Clearly Stars has been working hard making their case. They will continue to do that, and I trust Stars to figure it out and get it done.
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10-02-2015 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ico2525
The hardest part, the biggest hurdle, seems to have already been tackled. NJ just needs to let Stars in. Once that happens, NJ legislators don't know dick about online poker or running any kind of international online business for that matter. It's up to Stars to say, if you allow those in NJ to only play against players in NJ, you get $X in tax revenue. If those in NJ can play with the whole player pool, the State gets $Y in tax revenue where Y >>> X.



Clearly Stars has been working hard making their case. They will continue to do that, and I trust Stars to figure it out and get it done.

I'm not sure the details but it's possible the govt may not want US players playing against foreigners. 1) could be an outflow of USD with no tax revenue; 2) could be abused by US citizens to get money out of the US where it is untracked and untaxed.

By keeping the pool US only no matter who wins at poker the govt can track and gets its taxes, and if it is the one expending resources to regulate the industry you better believe it's not going to be allowing operations that allow outflow of money with no tax revenue.

The flip side is that maybe more tax could be generated by allowing foreign players. I just doubt they will see it that way.

I do know that whatever the govt wants stars to do they will do it.

Lol since when does the fact regulators don't know **** about running business prevent them from imposing potentially suffocating regulations without care to the consequences of participants?
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10-02-2015 , 03:32 PM
in the old days at stars, could someone create a foreign account and dump their money to this account, thereby avoiding U.S taxes?
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10-02-2015 , 03:57 PM
Why can't the US take note on how the UK are doing it and just tax the operator not the players and include ROW player pools that way everyone wins?

I guess it's not as simple as that..
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10-02-2015 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Bobby500
in the old days at stars, could someone create a foreign account and dump their money to this account, thereby avoiding U.S taxes?

Whether to avoid tax or avoid detection while transferring money internationally, this is the main reasons we had Black Friday.

Dumping to your own foreign account won't help you avoid taxes but dumping to organized foreign operation designed to make the money "disappear" could. This is called money laundering, and makes Uncle Sam upset.
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10-02-2015 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 2000 East
Why can't the US take note on how the UK are doing it and just tax the operator not the players and include ROW player pools that way everyone wins?

I guess it's not as simple as that..

Isn't it ironic considering UK and US mutual history with regard to tax policy?
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10-02-2015 , 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by poorme
nj does need to merge player pools with another state. but nj allows huds , NV doesnt so one of them will have to flip. or a new state that allows huds merges with nj
Merging with NV or DE won't do much for Stars in NJ... Both player pools are too small. Merging is a positive step, but it needs to be with a bigger state - PA, NY, California, Florida, etc.

The best thing about this is that Stars should now be all-in or close to it lobbying against Adelson, which makes it a bit more of a fair fight. That's huge for us.

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Originally Posted by CaptainMorgain
and how about what this does for the city itself?...let's not forget that Stars has been waiting for this approval to build their live room at Resorts...once that opens, Resorts becomes by far the biggest on the boardwalk...Borgata has nothing to be concerned about right now and will certainly rule the live market for the foreseeable future, but they will definitely be looking in their rear-view mirror as Stars builds a player base on the beach...there is no down-side to any of this...
They might challenge Borgata right out of the gate. There was a rumor for a while that they were going to go rake-free/time-free at 2/5 for a long time when they opened the room. That would make them competitive almost immediately.

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Originally Posted by namisgr11
For Philly, Delaware, and NYC resident players, Sunday will have the potential to become a day to cross the border and grind on Stars.
The average joe is unlikely to hole up in a Starbucks across the border for hours on end playing online poker... But if Stars is smart, they'll offer rooms at Resorts for a cheap rate - maybe $30-$70 a night for the night before and night of the Sunday 100K or whatever they have, and throw a big party the night before for everyone who pre-registers. Pre-registry gets you one free drink ticket, there's a Stars pro there hanging out, and then it's a cash bar after that. People would make a weekend of it.

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Originally Posted by higher visions
Ive heard others from DE say the same thing about seeing NJ stuff, however, oddly enough there has been very little here. Its been well talked about and im sure you can find it with some searches. People here are not at all aware, about poker at least, I can guarantee you that.
There will be way more advertising once groups of states are pooled. Most people living in New Jersey are watching TV stations serving NYC and Philadelphia, so once player pools are merged between PA, NY and NJ, or at least 2 of the 3, it'll become much more logical to advertise on those stations.
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10-02-2015 , 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by aislephive
Eventually perhaps they'll look into expanding the games to the ROW, but first things first people - let's get some state compacts going. Also, California needs to legalize online poker. What's the hold-up there?
Mostly the question of the role of the tracks in online poker. But really, there's just not a lot of motivation for anyone to change the status quo on anything but their own terms.

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Originally Posted by Wildspoke
Have regulators intimated they are open to the idea of opening the player pool up to either other states or ROW?
Yes, NJ regulators have said this directly on several occasions.

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Originally Posted by BillyPhelan
What's the barrier to ROW? You can bet Euro/Asia races on the NJBets Horse racing site.
Don't have a great answer but horse racing in the US has a longer run of legal clarity in terms of remote betting than online poker. I suspect it's a mix of that and the fact that regulators only have so many hours in the day. Might also be that not all operators want ROW pool-sharing right now...

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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
I am confused. When I went to France they wouldn't let me play on Pokerstars. But in new jersey you're allowed to play when visiting? What is the difference here?
Different law.

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Originally Posted by Jonny Nukes
New question. Will players in new jersey be able to make transfers with players out of usa?
Never.

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Originally Posted by Bluff Spice
Similar question that probably is unknown at this time but worth a try.... as someone who has researched moving to various countries to play internationally, one of the difficulties in some countries (e.g. Colombia) is obtaining a bank account to get money on stars.

Say you make a New Jersey Pokerstars account from some other US state and deposit into the account while never entering New Jersey (which I understand you don't need to be located inside New Jersey to deposit/withdrawal), then can you basically open the international client in Canada/Mexico or whatever and have money already in your account and be able to play immediately?
Going with 95% probably not.

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Originally Posted by rocketragz
What about Texas?
Sorry, Texas is not launching regulated online poker in this decade.

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Originally Posted by beauvanlaanen
what comes first, nj being in the same player pool as the rest of the world or another us state approving stars (nevada)?
This is a good question, but I'm going with another US state approving Stars. Maybe PA.
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10-03-2015 , 12:58 AM
Nolan Dalla's blog on the subject: http://www.nolandalla.com/one-small-...-online-poker/
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10-03-2015 , 02:59 AM
South Jersey is super nice btw..I just spent a week driving up to Maine and was amazed by that area around Cape May..
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10-03-2015 , 04:30 AM
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Originally Posted by subfocused
South Jersey is super nice btw..I just spent a week driving up to Maine and was amazed by that area around Cape May..

Shhh...Let's let everyone hold on to their perception that NJ is all like what they see around NYC when they fly into Newark. If word gets out that South Jersey (and much of the rest of the state) is actually really nice it might get more crowded than it already is.

I'm really happy to hear about this. This is a big positive step forward for online poker in the US. It will be interesting to watch how this affects the market and what approach Stars takes.
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10-03-2015 , 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by cuserounder
Merging with NV or DE won't do much for Stars in NJ... Both player pools are too small. Merging is a positive step, but it needs to be with a bigger state - PA, NY, California, Florida, etc.

The best thing about this is that Stars should now be all-in or close to it lobbying against Adelson, which makes it a bit more of a fair fight. That's huge for us.



They might challenge Borgata right out of the gate. There was a rumor for a while that they were going to go rake-free/time-free at 2/5 for a long time when they opened the room. That would make them competitive almost immediately.



The average joe is unlikely to hole up in a Starbucks across the border for hours on end playing online poker... But if Stars is smart, they'll offer rooms at Resorts for a cheap rate - maybe $30-$70 a night for the night before and night of the Sunday 100K or whatever they have, and throw a big party the night before for everyone who pre-registers. Pre-registry gets you one free drink ticket, there's a Stars pro there hanging out, and then it's a cash bar after that. People would make a weekend of it.



There will be way more advertising once groups of states are pooled. Most people living in New Jersey are watching TV stations serving NYC and Philadelphia, so once player pools are merged between PA, NY and NJ, or at least 2 of the 3, it'll become much more logical to advertise on those stations.
some great ideas to attract and grow both resorts live room and stars online, hope they follow this
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10-03-2015 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by higher visions
Normally your not too that far off base with your opinions but your wrong here. People will not be moving here in droves obviously, or at all, so there's one point you may have right.

The big difference will be if Amaya spends the marketing dollars. Most people I talk to dont even know you can play online poker in NJ. Sure I dont expect people who dont play to know or care, but when you talk to someone who says they play at least a couple times a month in ac or pa and they look at you and say, "online poker is illegal how can you play online", there is obviously a problem. PS has the ability to double the online player pool in NJ, which yes will still be small, but have a very noticeable impact.
dude theres no significant player pool in NJ (or nevada) who has any interest in playing online poker that doesnt already know its legal. All of the current operators have had major ad blitzes and it was all over the news for months.

the idea that there are people in NJ waiting for stars to enter the market to open their 1st online poker account iz looolz.
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10-03-2015 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
the idea that there are people in NJ waiting for [the largest operator in the history of poker] to enter the market to open their 1st online poker account iz [Not] looolz.
seriously dude, stick to live games
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10-03-2015 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ReliableSource
seriously dude, stick to live games
ill stick to always being right. u r dum.
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10-03-2015 , 04:12 PM
They could easily just make it so NJ players can play with ROW and forbid p2p transfers but our government is super scared of OMGZ Money Laundering so it won't happen.
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10-03-2015 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SuperSwag
They could easily just make it so NJ players can play with ROW and forbid p2p transfers but our government is super scared of OMGZ Money Laundering so it won't happen.
because chip dumping is still a thing.
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10-03-2015 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
All of the current operators have had major ad blitzes and it was all over the news for months.
LOL, wrong on both counts - you clearly don't live or spend any time in this area. On top of that, you give no credit to the Pokerstars brand, which indeed will attract new players to the NJ market. Also, you ignore that the arrival of Pokerstars in one state increases the likelihood that within the next couple of years they'll also arrive in a state not currently running regulated online poker. Finally, you dismiss the very real prospect that Pokerstars and NJ will in the future allow the player pool to merge with the rest-of-world merged pool.
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10-03-2015 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
LOL, wrong on both counts - you clearly don't live or spend any time in this area. On top of that, you give no credit to the Pokerstars brand, which indeed will attract new players to the NJ market. Also, you ignore that the arrival of Pokerstars in one state increases the likelihood that within the next couple of years they'll also arrive in a state not currently running regulated online poker. Finally, you dismiss the very real prospect that Pokerstars and NJ will in the future allow the player pool to merge with the rest-of-world merged pool.
Wake me up when a US site merges with the rest of the world its gonna be a long nap
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10-03-2015 , 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by namisgr11
LOL, wrong on both counts - you clearly don't live or spend any time in this area. On top of that, you give no credit to the Pokerstars brand, which indeed will attract new players to the NJ market. Also, you ignore that the arrival of Pokerstars in one state increases the likelihood that within the next couple of years they'll also arrive in a state not currently running regulated online poker. Finally, you dismiss the very real prospect that Pokerstars and NJ will in the future allow the player pool to merge with the rest-of-world merged pool.
wow, so a company that is still considered a bad actor in most jurisdictions is going to spearhead the spread of online poker in america and thats why more people will play in new jersey! hahahahahahahahahahaha.

teh stupid, it booo-urnz.

and yes, i do dismiss all of your ******ed unsubstantiated prognostications. the games will always be good.
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10-03-2015 , 05:36 PM
Time will tell what transpires in neighboring states. Bad actor? In one jurisdiction. In the meantime, we all know you're a Richard.
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10-03-2015 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by limon
wow, so a company that is still considered a bad actor in most jurisdictions is going to spearhead the spread of online poker in america and thats why more people will play in new jersey! hahahahahahahahahahaha.

teh stupid, it booo-urnz.

and yes, i do dismiss all of your ******ed unsubstantiated prognostications. the games will always be good.
Limon,

I enjoy your call-in stream and usually find your posts here informative, but the current batch that you dropped of late on this topic have not been either your best or most insightful efforts.
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10-03-2015 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by restorativejustice
Limon,

I enjoy your call-in stream and usually find your posts here informative, but the current batch that you dropped of late on this topic have not been either your best or most insightful efforts.
yes they have. you just dont know it yet. thats what makes them so good and why i am a legend.

I dare you to watch these shrinking online gaming numbers after pokerstars 1st year and compare them to 2014 with no stars. you are going to be VERY disappointed in what they add to the market, if anything. online poker is a joke in NJ 2015, missed all revenue projections by a mile this has NOTHING to do w/ lack of pokerstars. use your brain. https://www.playnj.com/new-jersey/revenue/

you act as if theres no nevada numbers either. yall are living in a dream world sitting around playing 5nl and fapping to the idea of another poker boom. NJ online poker "fizzleboom" lasted 4 months. Other states may dribble out similar launches that smoke and fizzle for a while and it will not happen because of stars but in spite of it.

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