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Old 10-06-2012, 06:42 PM   #1
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Phil Ivey wins 7.3m GBP in London, casino refuses to pay - Ivey sues. Loses Case. Appeals

Just came across this on Daily Mail...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...l-inquiry.html
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Phil Ivey won £7.8m by 'reading' the back of cards: How tiny flaw in deck design could have given poker star the upper hand

Phil Ivey is accused of 'reading' the cards in a game based purely on luck
Mr Ivey’s winnings were withheld by Mayfair casino Crockfords
He insists he did nothing illegal in a game of punto banco

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ing-cards.html



Cliff Notes:

-Ivey visits Crockfords with Asian female companion to play high stakes Punto Banco
-Lady asks dealer to rotate cards 180 degrees when they are dealt because Phil is superstitious and thinks it is luckier.
-Ivey and his companion never touch the cards.
-At one point during the first night, he is down 500,000 quid
-Ivey increases bets from 50,000 to 150,000 quid per hand
-That night he recovers and wins 2.3M quid
-Ivey asks the casino to preserve the cards from this session (considering them lucky, I suppose) and they agree
-Ivey and companion return the next day and win 5.5M more
-Casino claims cards were marked due to manufacturing error
-Ivey could recognize this by having the cards turned 180 degrees, hence why he wanted the cards preserved for the next day (when they are usually destroyed after each session)
-Casino claims Ivey's companion helped him "read" the cards (she has been banned from a couple casinos in the US)
-Thus, Ivey's winnings are not legitimate


End Cliff Notes.


In my opinion, the only thing they have on Ivey is the bit about preserving the cards. All the other things are things that gamblers do all the time. But since they (Crockfords) agreed to preserve the cards, I'm not sure why this whole thing is an issue. I don't get why Casinos suddenly don't have to pay out if the cards are marked due to no fault or action of the player. Like one commenter on the article said: they sure as heck would expect the player to PAY if they lost with marked cards! So why don't they have to? These casinos are always in the business of taking huge sums, but when they have to pay it's a different story. I'm calling BS on this hypocrisy. Crockfords should pay. You were happy to take Ivey's money when he loses, but then you are slow to pay when he wins! Ban Ivey if you want to, but pay him what you owe him! - SirCameron

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:46 PM   #2
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Mr Ivey, who once picked up £10 million in a poker tournament in Las Vegas...
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:49 PM   #3
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first, pay the man his money
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:51 PM   #4
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lol dailymailaments
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:51 PM   #5
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:53 PM   #6
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His mother, Pamela Ivey, who lives in Las Vegas, said: ‘He never mentioned it.
It can’t have been very important to him, or I think he’d have mentioned it.’

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Old 10-06-2012, 06:54 PM   #7
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damn shady euros first Partouche now this shady casino. Pay the Man.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:54 PM   #8
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World’s number one poker player wins £7.3m in two nights - but top London casino REFUSES to pay out and launches inquiry

Suspicions over the win intensified when it was discovered that his companion’s membership of another Mayfair casino had previously been suspended.

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This could get interesting. Think the casino should put the funds in escrow pending the results of the investigation.
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:55 PM   #9
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Re: UK article about Ivey

Can someone change the OP title to something more eye-catching?

The article seems to make it out that all the possible evidence for cheating was found to be untrue. So how have they still not paid that man his facking maney?
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Old 10-06-2012, 06:56 PM   #10
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Suspicions over the win intensified when it was discovered that his companion’s membership of another Mayfair casino had previously been suspended.
my guess is she a hooker.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:00 PM   #11
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does make me wonder tho how much phil ivey received as part of Full Tilt. I mean to be gambling at those stakes. I know he wasnt part of Lederer and Ferguson, but i sure bet hes got a lot of money that shouldnt be his.

Lets say you take away his entire full tilt money, what would his bank roll be? 10m? 15m? Sure its hell of a lot of money, but even 15m is not enough money to be having sessions of 3m etc.. soo like i said, makes me wonder how much he got from Full Tilt
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:01 PM   #12
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also, i love how in the articly hes just wearing nike jjogging bottoms and looks scruffy as hell lol
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:03 PM   #13
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does make me wonder tho how much phil ivey received as part of Full Tilt. I mean to be gambling at those stakes. I know he wasnt part of Lederer and Ferguson, but i sure bet hes got a lot of money that shouldnt be his.

Lets say you take away his entire full tilt money, what would his bank roll be? 10m? 15m? Sure its hell of a lot of money, but even 15m is not enough money to be having sessions of 3m etc.. soo like i said, makes me wonder how much he got from Full Tilt
ESPN followed him around on E60 he was taking private jets to go to private rooms at casinos to play highstakes gambling. But this was during the time when FTP was around so idk.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:04 PM   #14
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Accompanied by a ‘beautiful Oriental woman'

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:07 PM   #15
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Re: UK article about Ivey (casino refuses to pay 7.3m GBP win in Punto Banco)

so not only is he playing a losing game, if he wins he doesn't get the money. damn
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:09 PM   #16
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does make me wonder tho how much phil ivey received as part of Full Tilt. I mean to be gambling at those stakes. I know he wasnt part of Lederer and Ferguson, but i sure bet hes got a lot of money that shouldnt be his.

Lets say you take away his entire full tilt money, what would his bank roll be? 10m? 15m? Sure its hell of a lot of money, but even 15m is not enough money to be having sessions of 3m etc.. soo like i said, makes me wonder how much he got from Full Tilt
no im pretty sure any money ivey made from FTP should be his. just because the management sucked doesn't mean he was part of the management. he is regarded as the best poker player in the world and with that comes high income from representing one of the biggest poker sites in the world.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:12 PM   #17
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no im pretty sure any money ivey made from FTP should be his. just because the management sucked doesn't mean he was part of the management. he is regarded as the best poker player in the world and with that comes high income from representing one of the biggest poker sites in the world.
Yeah but if the rumoured $40 million is true, then he certainly shouldnt be getting that.

But yeh, i agree, if someone turned round to you and said well pay you 40m to represent us, your going to say yes. Its not for you to worry about where the money comes from.

Had full tilt run as a normal business, i would guess a site pro like Ivey would have been on max 1m or 2m a year - let alone getting frigging 40m
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:12 PM   #18
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Re: UK article about Ivey (casino refuses to pay 7.3m GBP win in Punto Banco)

I have always suspected Ivey was up to something.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #19
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He obv wasn't cheating, silly casino, bad publicity and they will have to pay him eventually.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:19 PM   #20
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The manager that approved the increase in betting, better get his resume polished up.
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:28 PM   #21
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Re: UK article about Ivey (casino refuses to pay 7.3m GBP win in Punto Banco)

For people outside the UK who are unaware, The Daily Mail has about as much journalistic respect as a small smear of human excrement.

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Old 10-06-2012, 07:29 PM   #22
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1: he never touched the cards

2: 7-10 cameras recorded everything

3: They have the cards and shoe that were used

4: There was a inspector in the room while he played

Pay the man his money
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:29 PM   #23
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:33 PM   #24
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Old 10-06-2012, 07:39 PM   #25
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he won the wsop main overnight lawl
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