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04-11-2014 , 09:26 PM
Aren´t bets made before the cards are dealt between banker and player? I don´t really get how Ivey had this huge advantage, even if they were supposedly sorted into the shoe. They would be hard to identify before they come out no?
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04-11-2014 , 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by ez2cy
This probably will never see court as you have to sue a person in their state of residence.

As most of you here feel Ivey is God, they would have had to file this in Heaven. Court is in recess in Heaven right now.
hahaha..love it
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04-11-2014 , 09:46 PM
http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news...er-pro-cheated


Atlantic City Casino Sues Phil Ivey For $9.6 Million, Says Poker Pro Cheated

"Ivey is accused of spotting manufacturing defects in the cards while playing high-stakes baccarat. The suit also names the manufacturer of the cards, Gemaco Inc. of Blue Springs, Mo. In addition, Ivey’s alleged accomplice, Cheng Yin Sun, is named in the complaint. According to the report, she was Ivey’s companion on his trips and gave instructions to the dealer."

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I predict a counter suit
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04-11-2014 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
lol...the cards are "different"

what don't you get ?

that's why Borgata is suing the card manufacturer as well.
did this guy admit to be trolling? i really hope so because he was failing so hard.

for normals: explain how you think something works -> get corrected by some1 who actually knows how it works -> say "oh i was wrong, thanks"
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04-11-2014 , 10:02 PM
lol i didn't realize he was the OP. i guess i can understand wanting to be right in a thread you created (and would some1 really troll their own thread that hard?), but to be clear:

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Originally Posted by ZenForest
Sometimes card manufactures make certain groups of cards with one pattern on the back, and the rest of the cards have another pattern....with subtle differences. Like a diamond pattern that gets cut in 1/2 at the edge on all "nine" cards but not on face cards....
wrong

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Originally Posted by franxic
That is not accurate. All cards are equal, but not 100% symmetric, and Ivey gets the edge by requesting "lucky" cards to be turned 180° and the deck being reused.
right.
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04-11-2014 , 10:14 PM
Does anyone know where the actual lawsuit document is online?
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04-11-2014 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by ZenForest
lol...the cards are "different"

what don't you get ?

that's why Borgata is suing the card manufacturer as well.
Jesus, you are thick.
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04-11-2014 , 10:26 PM
Some casinos are such crybabies. It took Ivey 56 hours to win 9.6 million but he most likely shipped it all back in a hour or two playing craps. Cut the guy some slack.
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04-11-2014 , 10:42 PM
maybe Ivey knows somebody at Gemaco (card maker) that is giving these casinos these defective decks. That would then make a more interesting story since he is requesting they use Gemaco cards.
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04-11-2014 , 10:43 PM
one would think a big casino would have folks in place that would be able to spot those defects and be ahead of the game.
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04-11-2014 , 10:45 PM
Ivey seems to be lees of a degen and more of a smart dude than I expected him to be.
Whatever happended here or in the UK, I think that casions should pay for their fault.
Also I am sorry now for calling Ivey a scumbag and degen in FT-chat, since he just seems to look for edges in the pit-games, instead of gambling at minus 1-2% EV spots there.

I mean, Ivey has lost close to 4 million at highstakes since he is not free-rolling FT money anymore, but this is the second circumstance that shows what he is made of.
IMHO, we should all hope for Ivey winning vs those two crook casinos, since he seems to be the selfish kind of Robin Hood of the pit-games that the world needs, smth like a smarter Archie Karas, or so.

I will never say a bad word about Ivey again (except his coaching site), and strongly root for him to to **** these ****ing casinos in the arse without vaseline!!!
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04-11-2014 , 10:49 PM
Can someone please ban Zenforest from this thread?
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04-11-2014 , 11:22 PM
[QUOTE=idun215;42871423]maybe Ivey knows somebody at Gemaco (card maker) that is giving these casinos these defective decks. That would then make a more interesting story since he is requesting they use Gemaco cards.

Had same thought. There was a movie called Kaleidoscope made in the '60's
starring Warren Beatty, with a similar premise. Guy broke into card manufacture's factory and marked the plates used to print the cards. Then he proceeded to bust many casinos'. Sorry, probably a worthless piece of trivia.
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04-11-2014 , 11:22 PM
Please do not blame the dealer in this case. Any high stakes baccarat game is going to have 1 or more floor people watching like hawks and they would be the ones to approve any rotating of the cards, not the dealer. You can bet the eye in the sky was watching as well. It's not like it was Ivey and a dealer by themselves and the dealer was allowing himself to be played like a fiddle. The dealer just deals the cards and does what the floor tells them to do.

I also find it bizarre that they would let the cards come out of the shoe before he made his bet. That is not standard procedure but I guess if you have a whale you'll let him get away with some stuff.
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04-11-2014 , 11:33 PM
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Originally Posted by DayTripping
Please do not blame the dealer in this case. Any high stakes baccarat game is going to have 1 or more floor people watching like hawks and they would be the ones to approve any rotating of the cards, not the dealer. You can bet the eye in the sky was watching as well. It's not like it was Ivey and a dealer by themselves and the dealer was allowing himself to be played like a fiddle. The dealer just deals the cards and does what the floor tells them to do.

I also find it bizarre that they would let the cards come out of the shoe before he made his bet. That is not standard procedure but I guess if you have a whale you'll let him get away with some stuff.
That's not the allegation in the Complaint (but that is another way to benefit from edge sorting that was apparently used in like 2011 by other people). The Complaint doesn't allege that he requested a change in bet timing.

The Complaint alleges that Ivey could see the first card in the shoe, and determine from the edge whether it was a 6-9 or not, and bet accordingly. The Complaint refers to this as "first card knowledge".
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04-12-2014 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ez2cy
This probably will never see court as you have to sue a person in their state of residence.

As most of you here feel Ivey is God, they would have had to file this in Heaven. Court is in recess in Heaven right now.
Here's an idea. Stop posting because you're a useless **** that provides nothing towards the discussion.
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04-12-2014 , 04:40 AM
More on edge sorting

http://apheat.net/2012/07/31/edge-so...harrahs-cards/

Video on edge sorting

http://apheat.net/2012/11/30/video-w...-edge-sorting/

Last edited by Kevmath; 04-12-2014 at 05:05 AM.
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04-12-2014 , 04:47 AM
Does any legal person know the name of the UK case in which Ivey is involved? I am trying to find more information about it.
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04-12-2014 , 05:08 AM
More details on the lawsuit:

http://www.flushdraw.net/misc/borgat...orting-scheme/
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04-12-2014 , 05:17 AM
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Originally Posted by JPE23
Does any legal person know the name of the UK case in which Ivey is involved? I am trying to find more information about it.
This was the last news on the UK case back in Sept 2013

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...technique.html

UK civil cases don't have all the legal docs online for the public. The ball is now in Ivey's court to press the case for the cash. Crockfords defence is that he cheated - which is illegal and has a potential 2 year gaol term but the civil case would not rule on that potential criminal case. There would be no jury just a judge.

Both sides have some very expensive legal representation.

I have been told by the UKGC, the UK regulator whose job it is to prosecute cheats that they were (or are) watching the civil case "with interest".
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04-12-2014 , 05:58 AM
Never played baccarat before so how do you flip the cards to sort them without being obvious?
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04-12-2014 , 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by The4thFilm
Never played baccarat before so how do you flip the cards to sort them without being obvious?
Works with deception and clueless personell only. You basically have to ask the dealer to turn them around for you because of "superstition".
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04-12-2014 , 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Willyoman
I mean, he's just sitting there playing the same game you are.

Well.

Kind of.
Winner!
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04-12-2014 , 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TooRareToDie
Ivey seems to be lees of a degen and more of a smart dude than I expected him to be.
Whatever happended here or in the UK, I think that casions should pay for their fault.
Also I am sorry now for calling Ivey a scumbag and degen in FT-chat, since he just seems to look for edges in the pit-games, instead of gambling at minus 1-2% EV spots there.

I mean, Ivey has lost close to 4 million at highstakes since he is not free-rolling FT money anymore, but this is the second circumstance that shows what he is made of.
IMHO, we should all hope for Ivey winning vs those two crook casinos, since he seems to be the selfish kind of Robin Hood of the pit-games that the world needs, smth like a smarter Archie Karas, or so.

I will never say a bad word about Ivey again (except his coaching site), and strongly root for him to to **** these ****ing casinos in the arse without vaseline!!!
Oh I'm sure he's relieved.
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04-12-2014 , 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by The Camel
Is Borgata still owned by MGM?

If so, will he be barred from Bellagio, Aria and the rest in Vegas?
You aren't forgotten; Borgata is owned by Boyd Gaming the same company that owns the Orleans , Gold Coast and others. I don't know whether it was ever owned by MGM.

Looks like he may have trouble staying at the Gold Coast during the WSOP.
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