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07-29-2015 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by amarillo moss
I know this guy. I've played 2-5 against him a few times. I'd be shocked if he didn't earn close to $100 per hour playing this limit. He is a super LAG that small balls a lot. He is definitely 99 percentile in skill and in his thinking.

Anyway, he told me that he has approximately 20 short "No Limit Holdem Cash Games" books on the Amazon Kindle. Since I don't want to promote him (because he is such an arrogant *******) I'm not gonna give out his pen name/alias as a writer. All I'm gonna say is that he has taken on the first name of one of the earliest WSOP main event winners as the first name of his alias/pen name. I've never read any of his books but one of them has the words bet sizing and brutal isolation on them.

The kid uses so many blocking looking bets on the flop and the turn that you don't know if he might be trapping or bluffing at any particular time, or maybe he's just really just blocking. Before I read the OP article I thought that creating this balance was the only reason for his small ball play. Now that I've read it I know that he is thinking much deeper.

He is friendly but you can tell that he thinks he's a more privileged human being than you.

In terms of playing style, he's more like the Dan Negreanu of 2-5 "No limit Holdem Cash Games" than a Phil Hellmuth. But in his attitude, he's Phil. And yup, he does have white magic. Someone worth watching since he plays tournaments too. This guy can play, no question about it.

He will still be around in five years and he can only get bigger.
Why don't he play 10/20?

Live players are always a few years behind what online guys were doing 3/4 years ago lol...and think they are advanced.
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07-29-2015 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
If this clown is so good why is he not playing 10/20 at bellagio. Game runs every day...100 percent chance he reads these forums too...
cause nobody wants to wake up at 8am to get a seat in ****ty bell 10/20 games
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07-29-2015 , 05:28 PM
I have played extensively with him in las vegas - being a full time reg here myself. He spends a fair amt of time in korea. he will play 5/t at the v when it runs.
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07-29-2015 , 08:10 PM
There are actually a few good 2/5 players in Vegas. Is this guy one of them?
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07-29-2015 , 08:30 PM
Does this guy realize he lives a completely meaningless life? If he were to die tomorrow would anyone shed a tear? That's a rhetorical question because obviously it doesn't matter.
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07-30-2015 , 07:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
Why don't he play 10/20?

Live players are always a few years behind what online guys were doing 3/4 years ago lol...and think they are advanced.
Yeah because online strategy is so optimal in a live game.
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07-30-2015 , 02:32 PM


I can dodge bullets baby!!
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07-30-2015 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
Why don't he play 10/20?

Live players are always a few years behind what online guys were doing 3/4 years ago lol...and think they are advanced.
Oh, here we go again. All hail the advanced and oh so smart online players!!! Live players like myself aren't even worthy to breath the same air that you do...
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07-30-2015 , 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by catheterchri
omg I found Him. I can't wait to eat all that **** up!
Thanks for the hints.
link?
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07-30-2015 , 04:30 PM
Guys, please, let's not start bashing online players. It's very easy to understand them if you think of it this way.

Imagine two basketball players struggling to get playing time for pro teams. They average, maybe, 8 points a game.

First player: "We should switch to soccer, those guys all suck."
Second player: "Yeah, our 8 pts a game, like, totally crushes. We'll instantly be better than Messi or Ronaldo. I don't think they even average 1 point per game."
First player: "I know! Those soccer players, they're still dribbling with their feet, lol!"
Second player: "And they haven't even discovered the great strategy known as dunking!"
First player: "Yeah, easy money awaits us. Hey, if you're not pissing into that jar, can you pass it to me?"
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07-30-2015 , 05:17 PM
seems legit
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07-30-2015 , 05:22 PM
This must be a level. Why would any pro divulge their overall strategy to a poker news outlet knowing it would be read by thousands of people?
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07-30-2015 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by PLAYTOLIVE
This must be a level. Why would any pro divulge their overall strategy to a poker news outlet knowing it would be read by thousands of people?
Hubris. You're being interviewed and you want to sound super cool.

Also the players that style is going to work the best against do not read PokerNews.
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07-30-2015 , 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by PLAYTOLIVE
This must be a level. Why would any pro divulge their overall strategy to a poker news outlet knowing it would be read by thousands of people?
Meh, it's just his overall strategy against fish.
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07-30-2015 , 11:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Steve00007
Meh, it's just his overall strategy against fish.
Surely this only works against weak/tight fish and not calling station fish though? He have to adjust this against those types that call down with anything.
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07-30-2015 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Tommy_Tomich969
Surely this only works against weak/tight fish and not calling station fish though? He have to adjust this against those types that call down with anything.
Vegas has lots of fish who play loose on the early betting rounds and then nit it up on the turn and river when the bets are much bigger. Sure against different opponents he will play differently.

Edit: Okay his betting should work against players better than the ones I suggested. In any case, the competition is bad enough at 2-5 NL that he shouldn't be too worried. Live players have plenty of other resources to help them get better yet I still see fish in live games all the time.

Last edited by Steve00007; 07-31-2015 at 12:03 AM.
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07-31-2015 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
Oh, here we go again. All hail the advanced and oh so smart online players!!! Live players like myself aren't even worthy to breath the same air that you do...
Point is no one who is going to get rich playing poker is going to play 2/5 their whole life (even deep 2/5). If he really is the best 2/5 player he should be moving up in stakes.

Theoretically say the kid can make 100 hour but can only play 35 hrs a week (because sometimes the game is not that good). That comes out to 150k a year. Very good money but not really that much for someone who thinks that highly of their skill...
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07-31-2015 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by catheterchri
omg I found Him. I can't wait to eat all that **** up!
Thanks for the hints.
You capitalized "Him".

Is that some kinda religious hint? Christians capitalize Him when referring to God, right? There are references early in this thread regarding his Christianity. Is he a minister of sorts?

Your capitalization of "Him" intrigues me yet it is also very possible that it wasn't deliberate on your part.

Can you be clearer about your intent?
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07-31-2015 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by CanadaPete
Point is no one who is going to get rich playing poker is going to play 2/5 their whole life (even deep 2/5). If he really is the best 2/5 player he should be moving up in stakes.

Theoretically say the kid can make 100 hour but can only play 35 hrs a week (because sometimes the game is not that good). That comes out to 150k a year. Very good money but not really that much for someone who thinks that highly of their skill...
he probably tried, lost, moved back down to comfort zone
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07-31-2015 , 03:29 PM
LOL I totally know this guy. He broke even in the 5 or more hours we were at the same table at the V. He shifts gears pretty good. He constantly brags about how he pays all of his monthly bills with his close to 2 dozen "50 cent per page" short no limit holdem cash games kindle ebooks which he writes under a corny sounding alias. Told me he's learning PLO and that he would dominate that game too. Does not respect tornament players. Probably a born again or seems like it.
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07-31-2015 , 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by PLAYTOLIVE
This must be a level. Why would any pro divulge their overall strategy to a poker news outlet knowing it would be read by thousands of people?
Super System?
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07-31-2015 , 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by UNLVfreak
LOL I totally know this guy. He broke even in the 5 or more hours we were at the same table at the V. He shifts gears pretty good. He constantly brags about how he pays all of his monthly bills with his close to 2 dozen "50 cent per page" short no limit holdem cash games kindle ebooks which he writes under a corny sounding alias. Told me he's learning PLO and that he would dominate that game too. Does not respect tornament players. Probably a born again or seems like it.
Sounds like a cool guy.
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07-31-2015 , 10:25 PM
Li
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07-31-2015 , 10:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Gzesh
Super System?
Yea, but the difference is Doyle wrote a book, sold them, and got paid for it.
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08-01-2015 , 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by AZMountainHiker
Yea, but the difference is Doyle wrote a book, sold them, and got paid for it.
I'm sure Doyle has given free interviews too, where he gave off playing tips.
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