Unless you can ban them from the cash games also....stop!

I am not debating the law on the issue of returning stolen dividends, the law is very clear they are not required to return them. From a moral stand point however it is a total no brainer that each and every one of them should have pledged to return whatever they can, I find it really amazing that anyone disagrees with that. Not to mention there is also precedent to this as reluctant as I am to use this example it does have a strong correlation with this case, in the Bernie Madoff case some of the people who actually profited returned huge proportions of their net worth in order to return some of the funds stolen to those who were wronged.

Many people seem to think I'm some kind of Venetian shill, that was merely a suggestion as an alternative to WSOP. The WSOP is the biggest most publicly known stage for our industry, which is why these events were chosen for a protest.

I fully appreciate many of the objections raised by some of the posters, ike especially raised some good points in the HS thread. I just can not get past the fact that these players continue to use our money to lead their lives as they have become accustomed to with out anybody having the balls to stand up and say this is not ok. Perhaps I am asking to much of a community who has time and time again in face of scandal and disgrace in our industry just looked the other way.

The thing is sparky, there are legal recourses to obatin the dividends. Rathewr the go after innoncent shareholders that no no knowledge, you can go after the ones that did have knowledge. Yoy can go after their personal assets and basicly, really **** them over and make them hurt for what they did

should be a separate thread for the argument out of respect for op and the signers......

also , I would just like to see lederer slapped with shoe like they do in the arab countries... then his ass whooped lol

I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event.


edited to add: I was on travelocity looking at hotel/flight prices for the WSOP this year. Not only will I boycott the WSOP, I won't even come to vegas during the WSOP season.

I agree with Doug's other points and agree with part of this on. Your Stating that the Wynn extends credit which it does but it doesn't do it with others player deposits. If FTP had extended credit and repaid its other customers like pokers stars was able to do. I see no problem with them extended credit as its there money. However they borrowed out depositor's money like a bank yet where not regulated like a bank.

If you put money in a box at the wynn they don't borrow the money in your box out.

OP- shouldn't you post the official list of all the shareholders/loan holders that you expect the WSOP to ban, so we can track the progress? How will you know when you've won the fight?

I don't know if this list is publicly available, so please provide it from your inside information. Obviously, if you can't provide the list to WSOP, there is no way you could seriously expect them to comply with your demands (on the off chance they intend to).

So come on OP, let's see the complete list of everyone who needs to be banned from the WSOP so we can follow the progress and see how we are doing.

This isn't the WSOP's fault so why would you put it on them to clean up this mess? Also who do you ban exactly and how do you know who is actually a real owner or not? Also shouldn't you then extend the ban to UB pros and Dutch Boyd from PokerSpot?
I admire the effort to get justice but this isn't the best way to do it sorry.

" I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

"I hereby state that poker tournaments should be free of politics, political correctness and ethics. Anyone not incarcerated, who can afford a buy-in should be able to play."

I agree with this.. however that statement does not mean the FTP shareholders and those non-shareholders who have remained silent are not scum..

I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event.

Agreed. The local casinos will get my money this year. I'd rather not give my money to a bunch of criminals. If there were no ethics, there would be no poker, just highway robbery.

" I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

I'm with this. Any company knowingly doing business with these thieves before they've done everything possible to make players whole will not be receiving my business.

That includes, online sites, land based casinos, tournament tours, etc. I'll speak with my wallet. If you support the people that stole from me I won't be patronizing your business.

I appreciate the passion but, the WSOP has nothing to do with the FTP mess. Will you do the same with WSOPc and WPT (and, oh yeah, Epic Poker) events?

How many of the people making this pledge would not be going to the WSOP this year anyway? No way to know. I mean, I could make the pledge but it would be meaningless because I'm too poor to even go to the WSOPc event just 200 miles from me, let alone the WSOP in Vegas.

I played in WSOP and other events.
I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event

I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event.

BTW, I think it would be more efective if these messages were sent directly to WSOP via e-mail.

The implication is that it started at the top?

What a joke. Everyone would be banned. There was basically fake money in play. All people who won money n FTP should also be banned.

" I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

The WSOP draws thousands of people every year. I doubt they will miss a couple dozen.

Yes a much better idea. Just boycott the $1,000,000 event. If we stick together we can probably limit this event to under 50 players. That ought to get their attention.

I approve of this thread!

Can't play in the events, but I agree with your petition. Probably would have transitioned to live play if FT haven't nuked my BR.

" I hereby state that unless all FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event"

I hereby state that unless all PHANTOM DEPOSITORS, FTP shareholders and those who currently owe money to FTP and have not signed a letter of intent to repay are banned from all WSOP events this year then I will not participate in any WSOP event