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Old 07-28-2014, 11:35 PM   #201
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Re: Paul Phua and seven others arrested for illegal World Cup bets at Caesars

I love how our tax dollars are being spent on this meaningless crap. This is a non violent crime, and I never understood the government's hate for sports betting.
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Old 07-28-2014, 11:55 PM   #202
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I doubt Robl actually had those chips. They were probably given to him by some rich asian who is close with Phua, but Robl came forward claiming he won the chips playing poker so there is no trace of Phua's buddies putting up the $. Notice it wasn't "i'll put up cash I have in a bank account, or in my investment portfolio, or property I own worth $xxxxxxx" because it would take time to set all that up while poker chips can appear pretty quickly. What are the chances Robl actually has $1.5M in assets?

Also, like someone else said, I would suspect big chips are monitored and it's a big deal if someone tries to leave the casino with them.
You posted the same exact thing like a week ago and people told you he plays in a game where there are 1.5 million dollar pots. What do you do with your life besides post random made up speculation on a variety of stories you know nothing about???
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Old 07-29-2014, 02:05 AM   #203
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After reading article and Dwan being at defense table, it seems that Dwan could be next to be indicted shortly ...unless he cooperates with Feds
On what grounds? Being friends with someone? Care to make a wager on your moronic comment?
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Old 07-29-2014, 02:49 AM   #204
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Re: Paul Phua and seven others arrested for illegal World Cup bets at Caesars

Paul and his son were released by Homeland Security Monday evening....

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/arti...paul-phua-bail
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:02 AM   #205
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Re: Paul Phua and seven others arrested for illegal World Cup bets at Caesars

News of the Phuas release is in the LVRJ: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/la...cheme-released

EDIT: Other links say they are now under "house arrest" ("at the home of local gynaecologist and poker enthusiast Craig Hartman") instead of locked up in Henderson.

I've not had my coffee yet, so might have missed something, but it seems Richard Yong and his son are still behind bars.
"[Pro player] Gabe Patgorski was prepared to allow both Yongs to live at his Las Vegas home as part of the terms of their release...."
"A letter [in their support was provided by] poker stalwart John Juanda".
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:18 AM   #206
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Tom dwan was like "yo, they cool. Let them free"
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:28 AM   #207
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Paul and his son were released by Homeland Security Monday evening....

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/arti...paul-phua-bail

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Bets had reached a “grand total” of HK$2.7 billion by July 5, according to an online message on one of the computers found in the villas. The message referred to Phua as “boss”.
FBI prolly read 2+2 and something like "Phua is such a boss"
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:04 AM   #208
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Re: Paul Phua and seven others arrested for illegal World Cup bets at Caesars

Isn't Paul Phua Durrr's backer? Surely this explains why Robl is involved in this, I'm sure it isn't actually 1.5 mill out of his network that hes putting up (though he seems smart enough to have well over 1.5m in assets IMHO)

Either way this is bad news for poker all around, doubt we will hear much about the big Macau games anymore if these guys get locked away. Which means many millions in EV lost for the poker community
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:31 AM   #209
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FBI prolly read 2+2 and something like "Phua is such a boss"
That he was called Boss does seem like a pretty silly thing to reference. Like you said many people just use that term for all types of high rollers or big shots. Heck the guy could like Springsteen for all we know.
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Old 07-29-2014, 09:51 AM   #210
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Re: Paul Phua and seven others arrested for illegal World Cup bets at Caesars

I love how they name him a 14K Triad member in the title and in the pic on the right and then bury "alleged" in the article.
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Old 07-29-2014, 10:27 AM   #211
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i don't think that's the type of thing you'll find on his LinkedIn profile though.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:03 AM   #212
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The big denomination chips all have an RFID chip in them. They aren't leaving the casino without the ARIA not knowing about it. As long as the casino can track the chips I would imagine they are thrilled they are not being redeemed.
You appear to misunderstand why casinos have RFID chips and what the technology allows.

RFID has a very small detection area. Casinos can't track where their chips are using RFID.
They use it to check the authenticity of the chips when they are cashed in.

...or have I totally misunderstood?
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:41 AM   #213
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This story is going to have legs for quite a while. So, typical of the police to use the immigration angle to jail someone. I hope he's paid off the right people in China if he gets deported.
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Old 07-29-2014, 11:54 AM   #214
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You appear to misunderstand why casinos have RFID chips and what the technology allows.

RFID has a very small detection area. Casinos can't track where their chips are using RFID.
They use it to check the authenticity of the chips when they are cashed in.

...or have I totally misunderstood?
That and they are almost certainly tracking them as they go out, i.e. person XYZ bought a $5k chip in this game at this time. If someone other than XYZ tries to cash that chip in, that's how they know.
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:17 PM   #215
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I love how our tax dollars are being spent on this meaningless crap. This is a non violent crime, and I never understood the government's hate for sports betting.
That's pretty easy, follow the money
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Old 07-29-2014, 12:42 PM   #216
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That and they are almost certainly tracking them as they go out, i.e. person XYZ bought a $5k chip in this game at this time. If someone other than XYZ tries to cash that chip in, that's how they know.
Hope you don't really believe system is that specific.
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:46 PM   #217
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That and they are almost certainly tracking them as they go out, i.e. person XYZ bought a $5k chip in this game at this time. If someone other than XYZ tries to cash that chip in, that's how they know.
No one is mapping a unique identity of a person to a unique unit of a chip. Doing so would require checking and creating a user account in the casinos' systems, then check the chips against the system for every transaction which #s in the several millions of transactions per week per property.

The RFID is for authentication purposes. But, you are correct in that they do track them. Meaning, they do know which chips have been stolen. They just don't know who stole them.... until someone tries to cash them in of course.
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:47 PM   #218
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News of the Phuas release is in the LVRJ: http://www.reviewjournal.com/news/la...cheme-released

EDIT: Other links say they are now under "house arrest" ("at the home of local gynaecologist and poker enthusiast Craig Hartman") instead of locked up in Henderson.

I've not had my coffee yet, so might have missed something, but it seems Richard Yong and his son are still behind bars.
"[Pro player] Gabe Patgorski was prepared to allow both Yongs to live at his Las Vegas home as part of the terms of their release...."
"A letter [in their support was provided by] poker stalwart John Juanda".
Dr Hartman delivered my son in 2005!

His wife, whos hot, worked in his office, and I have to say, her nurses outifts were absolutely fantastic....similar to outfits worn at LS partys....
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:48 PM   #219
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The big denomination chips all have an RFID chip in them. They aren't leaving the casino without the ARIA not knowing about it. As long as the casino can track the chips I would imagine they are thrilled they are not being redeemed.
So RFID is actually an anti-detection technology?
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Old 07-29-2014, 03:55 PM   #220
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Dr Hartman pulled nate out like a maigician, one handed.....quite impressive. wonder how he does at the tables.
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Old 07-29-2014, 04:40 PM   #221
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You posted the same exact thing like a week ago and people told you he plays in a game where there are 1.5 million dollar pots. What do you do with your life besides post random made up speculation on a variety of stories you know nothing about???
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:50 PM   #222
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This is the best soap opera since the full tilt and ultimate bet scandals. I love it, big name poker players involved in likely money laundering, illegal sports betting operations, and god knows what else. I got news for you, dwan robl and ivey are not bailing these guys out to be nice. They're bailing him out because they're dirty also. God only knows the depth of the scams they've been pulling in macau, but now we know the true reasoning behind the "shroud of mystery" in macau.
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Old 07-29-2014, 06:57 PM   #223
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This is what's wrong with th world these guys only got arrested because the casinos feel as though their taking away from their action. What a joke.
Good god how can you guys be so naive. You really think the ONLY illegal activity this guy has done is running some little stupid illegal sports betting operation? Lets look at who we are talking about here and think a bit. We are talking about the likes of paul phua, and phil ivey.

I think it's pretty obvious that the extent to this goes alot deeper than that. They are laundering money, the fbi knows it, and they are trying to nail them on this and make the dominos fall.
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Old 07-29-2014, 07:16 PM   #224
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Guys,

I'm not allowed to comment in any relevant way any more prior to the hearing in a few weeks. Once this is all over one way or another, there will be some extremely interesting posts re this incident, previous Macau stuff, One Drop and factors that led to what happened. Until then I hope my friends are as comfortable as possible getting the best legal advice possible.
Laundering drug money and sex slave trade money isn't the type of thing a man like you needs to be involved in even if it's indirectly. If i were you i'd forget i knew any of these guys in a hurry, the extent of shadiness of these guys goes far deeper than this.
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Old 07-29-2014, 08:03 PM   #225
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FBI prolly read 2+2 and something like "Phua is such a boss"
FWIW $2.7 billion HKD converts to roughly "tree fiddy" million US.
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