sorry for going off on you RR, I dont even know if it was you who banned me.

I was talking a lot of smack bvecause I was stoned, but in no way was I insulting anyone or meant harm.

I was new to this forum, and happened to get banned after I got in an argument with somesone who used a racist slurr word.

This forum is obv. managed professionally and I didnt know how to act. For me it is just a pleasure talking to likeminded professionals. Kudos to this board its awesome!

And thanks to the mods who make it all possible.

yeah it was a temp ban, no problem

just please to the mod that did this, dont do it after I try to "make this world a better place" lol

This is pretty disingenuous to suggest you got banned for trying to put a bully/troll in his place and you're making the world a better place when you were in fact making the forum a worse place. You most likely got banned because you had a long series of terrible/trolling posts in the Postle thread. This thing about a comment someone made to you is very likely coincidental to the reason you were banned.

Ok, let me tell you what happened.

I was listening to the mike matusow interview only and saw a few hands of postle playing crazy but couldnt tell he cheating from 5 hands.

Yes you can say I was dumb and naive, but I bought that he is innocent from listening to the interview.

Then I jumped on the postle thread and "tried to defend" him because I didnt think it was right to destroy someones name publicly. And everyone was jumping on my throat.

Then there comes this guy with a terrible post, not even attacking me, but he said "u guys are a f mongloids" and I told him he is an idiot and not supposed to use this word, and boom I was

banned. Not the guy! me

So I thought at the moment this is terribly unjust. This could have send me to apeshit tilt, and normally stuff like this does it.

Yes I might be an idiot and yes I shouldnt have trolled the thread, maybe.

But it wasnt my intention to troll, rather than just telling everyone stop hating on postle because I really thought he is innocent.
And he has a daughter, and I couldnt believe that he cheats a dying man(Rex)

(Matusow was always one of my idols, and I belived him)

And the same thing happened to another account, I know I shoudlnt say this becuase I could get banned for that again, but its the truth.

I defended postle, because I really believed him.

Date when the ban is lifted: never, it said.

For me that was devestating, because Im trying to make it in poker, I live and breath poker for the last 4 years. The only other professional I know in person doesnt talk to me anymore.

He is 300lb and hates everything. Poker has ruined his health. Im afraid the same thing will happen to me, if I dont take care and find likeminded peers.

In order for this I need a working account here I thought because this thing here is awesome.

Never experienced anything like this. And if I wasnt so stubborn I wouldnt have returned based on the bad experience.

Peace Dan

ps. the guy that posted the "Im a f loser" on poker reddit, that is my story. Im not the guy but I have the same story.

So the ban was even more devestating, it felt like a punch in the nuts.

At least you can admit your an idiot.....

Where has the thread "How gto scammers work in husng" that was in nvg an hour ago been moved to?

Apparently somewhere where I'm not allowed to access it.

It was moved by one of the mods to the mod forum for a discussion on whether we wanted to have a thread on a "how to cheat" video.

Public discussion is welcome here.

I don't think it's a how to cheat video, more like finally here's proof of the real time (pre-solved) advisors. That is similar to what Kidopham on ACR was doing. Remember that thread? About 40% of the replies where from the naive demanding some sort of hard evidence or calling those accusing Kido salty losers or whatever.

I really think that thread should be allowed. There needs to be more awareness/evidence that it's actually going on and not just "rumors."
Hopefully apply more pressure to sites to take action against people doing it, or at least come up with some smarter detection methods.

That video will not take someone from 0-100, there's still a ton of work, costs, and technical knowledge to get something like that setup going.

Yeah in first hour after watching/reading the vid I agree with TC's take. Dunno really what's right or wrong to do in cases like this as far as leaving it up or removing it though.

I can see an argument for informing x-companies ahead of time before going public, but it's already up on YouTube at least as an unlisted clip, so the information is already out there and getting shared elsewhere for others to see.

TC's point about the video not taking people from 0-100 is valid IMO. Ironically the points about technical knowledge, costs, work, etc was the justification I received about a year ago when I complained privately to a few people about 'styropyro' YT laser vids and the security risk they posed for casinos (or any place where people and money mingle) once tech becomes less expensive and knowledge more commonplace.

Sites, venues (b/c in many U.S. states, b&m casinos will sub-license to software providers), regulators, and the general public need to become more aware of the "prohibited software" issue, and online peer-to-peer stakeholders should either invest sufficient resources to adequately protect consumers -- or admit it's a lost cause and leave licensed markets to only the very few (if any) operators who are willing to stay on top of these problems to a minimum standard that doesn't expose lawmakers/governments/regulators to frequent public outcry RE: scandals.

It's like Josem once told me RE: a separate issue -- that it's the "law-abiding" people who get victimized. That's what I gather from the recent YT clip & thread, but I'm no expert on prohibited software/security matters. Again, no idea whether it's appropriate to share or restrict the actual clip in question though.

It wasn't a "how to cheat" video. It was exposing a stable of cheaters.

FFS, some of the real time advising software is advertising on Facebook now. Anybody interested can do a google search and find a Russian coder who sells real time OCR software that will bring up pre-stored solutions for $20 per month.

2+2 has an obligation to help inform the poker community that this stuff is out there and in their games; if 2+2 helps these guys to remain in the shadows then in some way 2+2 is complicit.

Secrecy only helps those doing evil.

I agree with the sentiments of the posts above. There are a lot of people who scoff when it's suggested people have GTO solution-driven bots/advisors. It's more about letting people know how real it is as opposed to the risk of unleashing a bunch of copycats.

People who have the resources and connections to do this already know how to get a hold of the technical people to set this up. The average group of players can't dedicate the effort necessary to prepare all the pre-solved simulations and execute the complex hardware and software setup. It is a large operation. A group that is dedicated to getting this done isn't going to finally learn how to do it because it was posted on 2p2.

I'm surprised that it didn't get a bigger reaction than it did so far. It's a much bigger threat to online poker than the Postle situation is to live poker. Why wasn't the Postle thread taken down because it shows people how to cheat in streamed/televised poker games?

I moved the thread to the mod forum for discussion and had some concerns thinking it could likely be moved back. Based on the comments herein and the mod forum I will have it moved back.

Thanks for the input.

I get this sentiment because I've been on the receiving end of it as a moderator elsewhere. But that is a LOT of liability to tie any public forum to -- regardless of topic -- when (a) 2+2, it's admins/mods/posters/readers aren't in any way implicated in what is being discussed, and (b) it's only been hours since the video was uploaded, and just an hour or two since the thread deletion.

I'm just spit-balling here. So some steps might be:

1. Draw awareness at least privately in these hours about video's existence, and communicate that there is enough concern to justify NOT removing the clip in the meantime?

2. Decide in these hours whether to reinstate the thread in question or keep it in the private mod forum for now?

3. Decide whether it would be prudent to privately timestamp that video (including some of the key convo highlights) in these hours, and submit those timestamps to mods for consideration. I'm up for doing the timestamps, but I'm not really familiar enough on the subject matter to communicate some of the technical jargon that's going on. This step would require some form of collaboration I believe?

4. Decide whether a revised table of contents should be submitted to corresponding companies/regulators (assuming we can find an individual even on an official level who really wants to introduce this **** into their lives) -- and request some form of guidance on how to proceed when these types of accusations are uploaded publicly/semi-publicly?

5. Keep the convo going here until w/e is decided about the thread? It's going to be a hot conversation topic once/if reinstated. Maybe a few hours are needed for a few people here on the boards to get on top of what's going on in that video? One observation I have is that it's referring to events from as of 1 year ago, and then later convos from Oct 2017, so maybe sites have already dealt with the crews being referred to? Or not?

Again, I really just don't know and I'm under-qualified when it comes to this security/bot stuff. But just in general it seems to me like the posters above all have very valid points. Plus everyone already knows that video is extremely concerning. Really it's the sites' responsibility imo to ensure their software doesn't get exploited to a point that someone posts this type of video proof on YouTube -- if YT doesn't remove it (and why would they really? even if x-sites complain) then people are going to want to talk about it.

It's been decided. See the above post.

Thanks R*R

And thank you. Your post does consider some of my thinking process when I moved it.

And it's back.

Now that PokerStars has launched in Pennsylvania, most of the new posts in the "Pennsylvania Online Gaming Launch" thread are not related to that news but are mostly about issues on PokerStars PA like geolocation, deposits, hand histories, etc. Perhaps it's time to direct those posts to a new thread in the Internet Poker forum like PokerStars NJ has. The NVG thread could be left open for real news on this front, such as compacts with other states and new sites launching.

We've been talking about this very thing in the mod forum recently; I expect we'll open an IP thread soon.

Sounds good. Thanks.

+1 appreciate moderators' public/private collaboration and troubleshooting of how information should best be curated/organized for discussion.

Well, we usually get cookies and ice cream at those meetings....so there is that.

Further to this, someone else has done what slipped by my attention/memory :

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/2...rs-pa-1757060/

I've posted in the NVG thread to direct people there; I imagine it'll take a week or two to get everyone adjusted to it.

Did you delete my post in the Galfon advertising himself thread?