This is not quite the case...

The fact that 70% didn't get rakeback doesn't mean Affiliates who referred them weren't getting this rev share, so the impact on rake wouldn't be as hard as your post suggests.

remember this 30% number will most likely constitute a far higher % of the active player base as opposed to the hundreds of thousands of fish who made one deposit and then never played again

Shyam, do you think anybody will trust you now with own money? I mean after holding our money for 16 months now you have announced you aren't going to honor your obligation to players regarding rakeback, you aren't going to honor your obligations to affilates regarding payments for players they've recruited, why would anybody trust that you will keep your obligation about paying out their winnings? That's not the best way to rebuild your reputation..

When I've heard first about PokerStars buying FTP I was happy that now it's gonna be trustworthy company, and was eager to come back to play over there. Now I'm going to cash out every penny as soon as I can, and never work with you again.

So is it a flat 25% rakeback where everyone qualifies and is paid out weekly? or is it like a vip system where you have to work your way up to 25% rb based on your loyalty to the company? Im guessing it is the second option right?

Great... so the one thing that had casual players playing at full tilt is gone... hopefully the bottom tier isn't as ****ty as pokerstars. I just hope you guys do something to differentiate yourselves... that was the one main thing drawing me back to tilt. (along with iron man and other promos)

I'll wait to see full details, but if the bottom tier is similar to pokerstars whats the point? You said you think tilt will be better, how will it be better if your making things the same before its even relaunched...

Also to those saying rake back wasn't available to ALL players, thats not entirely true. I didn't have rake back when i created my account, however I emailed an affiliate to receive it afterwards, they said they couldn't do it but they would give my information to an affiliate that was owned by full tilt. I then got my 27% AFTER signing up. All it took was one email.

I did that too. I think you just had to have a certain level of play when you requested it (they might not have given it to people playing 3-4 times a month, I don't know). Some people did get screwed when they signed up without rakeback but accidentally/unknowingly had cookies from affiliates which linked their account to the affiliate site and I'm pretty sure they couldn't get rakeback at all due to that.

Hey Shyam,

I'd appreciate if you answer this question:

I know that self exclusions will be shared between the two sites, but will a player that chose to close his account with PS NOT due to problem gaming or anything along these be able to play on Full Tilt on Nov. 6?

Again, the case here is NOT problem gaming or anything of these lines.

Second option. Same as stars.

well that is ****ing ******ed.. Wait to already turn ftp into pokerstars you guys!

ok so why would i wanna move to ftp then if its the same system? who came up with that ****ing idea?

I just wanna clarify. I don't mean EXACTLY the same but as you can see from my previous post he mentions a tiered system which is what stars has. We just have to wait and see how it measures up.. and either way we will be receiving money rather than having to only earn cash incentives from VPPs at a certain point. It just means the bottom tier like others mentioned might only get 5-10%

Maybe because they(pokerstars) paid for you to get your money.They didnt hold onto your money for 16 months.They got it back for you.

That alone for me is a reason Im going to play on there.

There reputation is sound for me.Pokerstars is great and they are over all of what full tilt does.I trust them with my money

Q: How many people generating >100$ Rake/Month had 27%-Deal?

I guess that were a lot more than 1/3... This is like Tapie wanting to payout 95% of players - all the ones with almost no money in.

Unless a really good promotion coming up for restart im insta out. Its a joke what FTP is doing to their customers.

This is a Joke right?

Newsflash.. PokerStars never held your money

PokerStars has no obligation to pay you your rakeback..Full Tilt did.. Full Tilt is gone..PokerStars bought the assets of a bankrupt company..PokerStars did not buy Full Tilt..Therefore PokerStars has no obligation to do anything..

Same as above..

Really? You aware of what happened after Black Friday, or was your head burried in the sand?..In case you missed it... Pokerstars paid everybody everything that was owed in a very fast time frame, 4-5 days...If thats not enough, PokerStars entered into an agreement with the DOJ to pay out winnings as part of the agreement to buy Fult Tilt's assets (You don't really want to mess with the US goverment and reneg on that part of the deal cause we have seen what the DOJ can do, just look at UB or Full Tilt) PokerStars has an impecable reputation in an industry filled with scandal after scandal after scandal.

Good Ridance, don't let the door hit you on the way out. So many cry baby's in this thread make me shake my head in disgust. Be happy you are getting your money back that was stolen from you when FT went under.. Intead its: OMG!!!!!! I'm not getting my $98.26 in rakeback

I miss FTP, and when it comes back, i think i will still miss it.
Its never gonna be the same is it?
I bet we wont even be able to rail the aforementioned durrr and blom because we dont have the buy in for the table they are sitting at....Just like stars.
Why not just call Full Tilt "Pokerstars2" and be done with it.

While you're giving stars a reach around keep in mind that they got FTP as part of a deal to save their own asses.

Also might be a good idea to not be so happy about chasing people away from stars2 as they might just be the fish that everyone is sitting out waiting for.

Rewards being capped at 25% is a bit ridiculous... It should be possible to beat the previous flat rakeback (+iron man, points, etc.) with decent volume... i.e. up to 35% or something

Seriously, for me (and I'm sure lots of others) people on 2+2 complaining about the new rakeback scheme is great news. Most fish really didn't understand how to play the RB, IM and BC systems for the 50%+ that some in this thread were getting, and I'm guessing that the players with rakeback under FTP1 will have been considerably stronger players than average. So if a good proportion of those who had RB leave (particularly if its the people who were making a decent clip from RB), that will reduce the average game strength.

As such, it's a win-win for me: get RB (I didn't have it under FTP1) and play against softer, less financially literate players. Crossing my fingers that the angry folk in this thread carry out their threats never to come back...

No its actually the other way around. Those complaining about no longer receiving 27% rakeback are the casual players who do not play everyday and therefor had no chance of obtaining BC or SN/E on PS, but at least received something back. A tiered system encourages multi-tabled grinding in order to achieve the highest benefits, which in turn make the games tougher as they are usually reg filled.

It will never be the same since the yanks can't play now, they brought most of the action. America, land of the free where you can't even play poker in your underwear if you like.

However, if the maximum RB they can get is 25% then Stars will be a better option for multi-table grinders, 25% as a top level is lolworthy.

lol affiliate scum. I didnt get rakeback either until a ton of emails back and forth. Wp on not paying them.

I signed up through rake the rake; what about the rack races; will they still be going forward?

I also disagree which the new system; its turning it into like poker stars which clearly there is no reason too. You should give everyone a flat 20% and then a LOT of other promotions throughout the year to give an extra 10-20% for the grinders who frankly deserve a bit more no?. This way grinders are happy and so are the recreational players especially if these promotions are public Holidays like Christmas so that even the recreational players can grind if they choose

We thank poker stars for getting our money back but this change is pretty short sighted IMO. Giving the recreational players more rake/cash back promotes player liquidity since they can play with their bonuses which in turn will get raked anyway. I strongly suggest a FEAST of promotions in early November otherwise FT2 may simply not be sustainable; especially now without American players as well as those who have found other places to play and are happy there

One point not mentioned is that a lot of regular fishes can get more than 15% from iron man + ftp even without rakeback.