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06-01-2016 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Monorail
This was surprising, if for no other reason than Bodog has historically been quick to scoff in the face of regulation.
I had an account on Bodog but I withdrew my roll about a year ago.

My main concern is to lose PokerStars/Full Tilt, 888 Poker, Party Poker and Iron Poker/William Hill.

I will maintain the lowest possible rolls on all my sites until more info gets out.
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06-01-2016 , 08:31 PM
Sometimes I have to wait at a $5 HU sit&go on Espace Jeux for 10 minutes before getting action...on a Saturday. They don't promote their own game!
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06-02-2016 , 04:47 AM
such crass incompetence, I bet they didnt even expect backlash.
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06-02-2016 , 08:34 AM
Internet providers won't matter because if online gambling is officially declared illegal in Quebec, PokerStars will have to reach an agreement or they will have to operate illegally in Quebec.

If they do; then they will lose their NJ license in the US; and I don't think they will let that happen.

As for other sites it depends on their own charts.
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06-05-2016 , 03:20 AM
how could it be declared illegal when they have their own site?
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06-05-2016 , 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
how could it be declared illegal when they have their own site?
I haven't read the whole bill; but it must be something like this:

It is illegal to operate a poker/gambling site without a license from Lotto Quebec.
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06-09-2016 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
how could it be declared illegal when they have their own site?
Basically, Lotto-quebec created 'espacejeux' which is loto online with a poker platform too. But their poker platform isn't doing well because everyone in quebec play with reknown poker sites (pokerstars, 888, etc...)

Since espacejeux and loto quebec is created by the government, they want increase in money and they don't want the 'province money' to go to other gambling sites to pay rakes etc, they would prefer to have that money.

So a year ago, even tho a lot of lawyers claimed it goes against people' freedom, they're trying to put 'the law 74' in action, and i think they're soon gonna apply it, which is bull****.

They know that people will be upset, but they're trying to force pokerstars and other sites to pay quebec province in % of money made so they people in quebec can still have access to pokerstars but through espacejeux.
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06-09-2016 , 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
how could it be declared illegal when they have their own site?
The same way the government can open a casino, or permit someone else to do so, but you or I can't do so on our own, or the same way governments all over the world (including the US) limit explicitly legal online poker to regulated sites.
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06-09-2016 , 02:55 PM
Yeah I just mean they cant declare online gambling to be illegal, just that every other sites but their own is. The distinction at least makes them look at lot worse.
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06-09-2016 , 03:10 PM
Ah, I see.

Yeah, it seems there's always a certain amount of hypocrisy involved when it comes to government and gambling regulation. I can see legitimate reasons for regulation to protect consumers, but often it's just about the money, and government getting their piece of it.
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06-09-2016 , 03:18 PM
yeah it's pretty funny how they attempt to disguise their intentions by saying we would have a safe gambling environment on their site because it's "LEGAL" lol

this is only to protect us guys!
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06-09-2016 , 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Fayth
yeah it's pretty funny how they attempt to disguise their intentions by saying we would have a safe gambling environment on their site because it's "LEGAL" lol

this is only to protect us guys!
Lets review history on this. Ultimate Bet, Absolute Poker and Full Tilt who made up the top 5 gaming providers post UIGEA all went busto and didn't have a penny to pay players.
Ultimate Poker the 1st ever legalized, licensed US operator in LV went busto as well.... but players were paid their money.

I have no qualms with regulation in theory.
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06-09-2016 , 06:10 PM
They could regulate and put forth consumer protection laws if they really wanted us to be safe and allow competition. But they will probably try to money grab, and do it in the most bureaucratic monopolistic inefficient way, knowing how they run things here. I would welcome regulation laws on segregation of players balances yes, but not hypocrisy money grab making the game pretty much unplayable.
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06-09-2016 , 09:34 PM
for examples the sports bets, who wants to bet on espacejeux?

their odds are awfull, i heard rake is like 20% or somethin. if they ban offshore sports betting sites People are gonna go underground with the bookies even more, its very good for organised crime (which they are prolly affiliated with in some way)
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06-09-2016 , 11:20 PM
anything lotoquebec puts out generally has the worst odds possible.

They even tried to say it was because giving a poor return makes it less likely people become addicted! Yay the well being of people!
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06-10-2016 , 01:40 AM
Isn't Quebec still run by bike gangs?
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06-10-2016 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by useless
Isn't Quebec still run by bike gangs?
If I was to ever place a bet on something like that, I think Quebec would be your best bet!
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06-18-2016 , 05:56 PM
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Québec passes Bill 72 which requires ISPs to block access to gaming sites. Will a challenge be successful?
http://www.pokernews.com/news/2016/0...ming-25070.htm
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06-18-2016 , 06:11 PM
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Originally Posted by useless
Isn't Quebec still run by bike gangs?
we have awesome synergy between brutal incompetence and massive corruption

take your pick out of a hat with the dozen mafias and bike/street gangs.

Awesome diversity when it comes to corruption

Last edited by Kirbynator; 06-18-2016 at 06:18 PM.
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06-18-2016 , 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Kirbynator
we have awesome synergy between brutal incompetence and massive corruption
Ha.! So accurate.
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06-19-2016 , 02:29 PM
Sunday aft & no one sitting at any sit & gos - lovely only option we're close to having.

Last edited by carradioyes; 06-19-2016 at 02:31 PM. Reason: Oops that's HU - grade total of31 sitting, inc full tables pfffft
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06-20-2016 , 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by carradioyes
Sunday aft & no one sitting at any sit & gos - lovely only option we're close to having.
They really need Ontario to join the network.
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07-06-2016 , 05:02 PM

I won't say anything interesting, only tell I am badly angry at such decision.(i live in Quebec, obviously). I am wondering about my poker future. I only play as a REC online but this is stealing me my hobby. Not pro but poker can be pretty important for me.
I cannot stand such (nazi) laws, as Quebec can do. I am french where it is bad, i got into London, Uk, where it recently got badder (but still good) and now this. I see the world poker opportunities reduced and reduced again. Where would i need to live to be able to play in peace ?!
I might need to turn 100% live, soon. And even there, i would always be at risk. Damn it !!!

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07-06-2016 , 09:41 PM
Well, it officially became law on May 17th and has been deferred for 6 months. Add to this the 30 days for implementation and that means we are looking at mid Jan 2017 at the very earliest.

As for if it actually goes ahead after this date? I have no idea. After much research I genuinely feel that it won't or will at least be delayed further i.e. well into 2017 or later.

Yeah man, Quebec. Bunch of corrupt cowboys here in so many ways. I mean, I do love it here and respect to any Quebec people reading this, but **** me man this province has some backward ways. The sheer arrogance of it. It is so blatantly a greedy corrupt move that has zero to do with regulation or public health concerns lol. The US ban was obviously also mostly about greed/corruption, but it was a lot easier to pass under the regulation card than this Quebec bs which is just so transparently corrupt.
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