Ok, im sure it's been discussed many times before. The intention of this post is not talk about the future and current poker situation, but rather about something that is really pissing me off. There's a new trend that is mostly coming from the mouth of poker players that are already successful or are just too tired of the game. Im getting somehow frustrated lately because almost every single time i come across a poker player whether it is on twitter, a podcast, a blog, there is someone trying to promote really hard that poker is not the same anymore, that it is dying or that we don't know for how long it will be a good idea to be a professional poker player.

Let me tell you this, if all of it is true at any degree, then you're just helping it become more real. But let me tell you something else, it isn't for me. I feel very optimistic about the game, maybe because im relatively new to it? I don't know, but im sure there's a lot of players just like me, trying to work really hard to pursuit the same dream you once had: the freedom, the passion for the game, making an interesting living of something that is yours and nobody else's. If poker is not so magical for you anymore like it was before Black Friday, then im sorry, but it is for me, and im sure it is for a lot of player and not only the new ones. It almost looks like a selfish attempt to make online poker really boring for those that are having a good time. You had your time, let other people have their poker high also. These poker players are creating a weird sense of urgency, it almost feels like you have to hurry up, extract as much as you can from poker and RUN!

I wish that instead of promoting decadence we try to see the good things about this amazing game that is setting us free in our own way.

Well i think that sums up what im feeling, sorry if it was a little romantic but back to what i said at the beginning, you are really pissing me off!!! You successful poker player.

Stop this poker-is-dying-nonsense.

Thanks!

but poker is dying

in b4 poker is dead

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Thread title doesn't compute.

Poker is not dead. It just reeks a little.

Online poker is getting tougher IMO. 10 years ago it was a relatively untapped market. A lot of people hadn't started making a profession out of it (as online poker just came into existence). Now 10 years later, a lot of smart young people have realized that if you work hard you can make a lot more $ in poker than in most jobs.

Now if you want to enter poker you have to compete against a 10 year growth in pros compared to if you started 8 years ago it would be a lot easier.

Pretty much the pro rate is growing faster than the fish rate.

If you're good the $ will always be good, and the game will always be fun.

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But, ......online poker IS boring to most people after about an hour. Add in that they likely lost a couple o buy-ins in the process, and you might accept that something needs to change about the way the game is presented and played.

Also, poker has lost an edge it formerly held. When poker "boomed" online, there were not very many other online gaming oferings to engage hesitant players ... Poker was actually something they understood from the live gaming environment. Otherwise, when they moved their interactive entertainment appetite online, they might have gone for Social Games/Candy Crush, even "back in the day".

.... except when it becomes a J O B.

Poker is dead.




But really it has gone down in numbers because like anything else.. It is a fad for a bit. Well never see the golden 03-06 era anymore unless a fed unban of online poker to help another boom and send more players to
Vegas. And like dnegs has said for a while... It isn't as fun because of the serious Sally's at the tables.

Treat it has a hobby that you like to spend a lot of time on. It's all about how you perceive what you do if you want to make it fun. If you can't make it fun that's just on you.

I know that, as i started writing i also looked it up but i clicked submit. "conspiracy"

Online poker has been contracting by 10% year over year for many years now.

It is dying.

These kinds of numbers would kill any industry.

Cept poker tho

Live was helped for the long term imo

Poker is not dead. My graph

I don't think they are trying to "promote" this idea. It's more like a sad realisation that poker as a career choice is no longer feasible for the number of people it used to be. Other life-choices have a higher EV. Some pros are getting out of the game because they can have better lives (and earn more money, more easily) doing something else. It's not 2002 any more. You can't get a 100% ROI playing $300 tourneys. Those days are gone and will likely never return.

Lol at some guy who is new to poker taking such an authorative tone in telling everyone they're wrong.

But why do you think that?

Give us more detail, more explanation, more information. We need this to make decide.

My frist thought as well.

Before poker I made a living for a few years gambling on horse racing. It was bred into me as my Dad has been beating the horses for over 30 years. After a few years I got a job though as the swings were tough and the edges small. Then poker came along.

Moral of my story is:

98% of all gamblers on horse racing are long-term losers. It is much easier to win at poker. Also in poker you have a good chance of getting a game. In horse racing in the UK you are dealing with large bookmaking firms with whom you are not allowed to win. Period. Have an account that shows just a few k profit and it will promptly be closed. Then Betfair came along i.e. a betting exchange that basically provided the software for individuals to gamble against each other with the site taking commission i.e. exactly the same as poker. This was revolutionary and changed the life of the winning gambler as they could now get on and have their bets matched. Then what happened? Betfair introduced their "premium charge" whereby long-term winners had a % of their profits taken by the site. This premium ranges from 20% to a high of 60% for those with lifetime winnings in excess of 250k. I am not joking. Imagine if this happened in poker?

And people tell you poker is dead. Poker was insanely easy for several years. Now it is harder. A lot harder. It is still a good option, but a lot of people who were there in the good days just have a totally distorted view of what "hard" means. If you work hard at poker it is still actually an easy living. Using myself as an example, I know infinitely more about horse racing but could never make a fraction of the money I do from poker, a game that loads of people are better than me at. At horse racing I feel like an Ike or a Jungleman but I'm basically not allowed to make a living at it. At poker I'm down the pecking order but can still float my own boat with comfort. That is cool.

Poker ain't dead. It's alive & kicking and still a brilliant option. Just because the games went from embarrassingly easy to quite competitive doesn't mean the party is over.

Pokers dead for anybody who wants to try and become a pro now. Which is actually good for already established pros, thus poker is kind of alive for pros, but dead for everyone else.

Are you a person who aspires to making a good living from poker?

If the answer is "yes" then your biggest obstacle is not that poker is "dead" or the games are too hard. Your biggest obstacle is your belief that it can't be done. You need to refuse to accept the possibility that the game is dead for up & coming players. If you refuse to accept it and put the work in then you will get what you want.

(sorry for lecturing tone)

Edit: and of course if you are not a person aspiring to a living from the game, or already are that person, then please ignore my post!

You're the reason poker isn't dead

I'm curious. When people claim poker is dying do they mean in Merica and countries where it's taxed? Or do they mean everywhere!

Worldwide, online poker traffic is shrinking 10% per year, and has been for many years now.

It's not dead, but it's dying.

How long do we have?

This is not at all surprising .

Large European countries closing their countries to euro liquidity has a lot to do with recent declines

Let's hope US states don't make the same mistake