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10-06-2016 , 08:23 PM
People that get hair plugs annoy me. People who don't embrace going bald come across as insecure losers. People who lie about getting hair plugs are the most pathetic.
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10-06-2016 , 09:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MeleaB
Where does your current understanding come from? It's not from playing the games and it doesn't appear to be based on any evidence. As posted above, results from a variance simulator will probably surprise you.
You're wrong I'm afraid. In the current cash game environment, recs get absolutely destroyed. Type in a -20bb/100 win rate into a variance simulator and you will see what I mean.
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10-06-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by MultiTabling
You're wrong I'm afraid. In the current cash game environment, recs get absolutely destroyed. Type in a -20bb/100 win rate into a variance simulator and you will see what I mean.
Why don't you try it and show me how a -20bb/100 fish fares over a 4-hour session (playing a single table at 50 hands/hour)?
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10-06-2016 , 10:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Howard Federline
People that get hair plugs annoy me. People who don't embrace going bald come across as insecure losers. People who lie about getting hair plugs are the most pathetic.
Do you have hair loss issues? I'm balding at a relative young age (31), and I generally agree with u, but your being way too harsh. Every bald guy in the world would get plugs if they could afford it and the results were amazing.
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10-06-2016 , 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by IMDABES
Do you have hair loss issues? I'm balding at a relative young age (31), and I generally agree with u, but your being way too harsh. Every bald guy in the world would get plugs if they could afford it and the results were amazing.
I'm balding and wouldn't get plugs. I don't care about hair. Of course, I've had a buzz cut for 25 years so maybe that's why.
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10-06-2016 , 11:37 PM
You want to embarrass yourself in another NVG thread Mason. Is that it?
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10-07-2016 , 02:47 AM
one dnegs per site is too much rake already
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10-07-2016 , 08:09 AM
I bang on DNEGS on here because he has exposed himself as a hypocrite, out-of-touch, and willing to rationalize corrupt behavior; but, his TWITCH last night with JCarver where he walked viewers through the final table hands of his recent online tourney win was excellent and very informative.

Pity what he let himself become the last two years.
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10-07-2016 , 08:42 AM
There is a big difference in the professional, thoughtful, well spoken and intelligent way that Phil Galfond carries himself versus Daniel. Daniels actions prove that he is just a corporate shill. You would never see Phil doing an interview while laying in bed. What a disgrace.
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10-07-2016 , 08:55 AM
I have negs tagged as a fish. On that note I can understand a little bit better why he wants to make the environment nicer for the recreationals. I still dont believe in that logic though.
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10-07-2016 , 02:17 PM
A plausible idea: Proven winning online players should be given a timeout for a certain period (maybe 30 days or more) of time where they are not allowed to play in games at/below the level that they have been winning. They would be allowed to play at higher levels.

Online poker pros may not like the idea but it should keep rec players in the game longer and keep online poker viable. No need to change the rake except for possibly reducing it.


Rating players and restricting players is not unusual in other sports like amateur tennis and keeps people interested in playing competitions.

Last edited by Pokerlogist; 10-07-2016 at 02:20 PM. Reason: added tennis part
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10-07-2016 , 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerlogist
A plausible idea: Proven winning online players should be given a timeout for a certain period (maybe 30 days or more) of time where they are not allowed to play in games at/below the level that they have been winning. They would be allowed to play at higher levels.

Online poker pros may not like the idea but it should keep rec players in the game longer and keep online poker viable. No need to change the rake except for possibly reducing it.


Rating players and restricting players is not unusual in other sports like amateur tennis and keeps people interested in playing competitions.
Rather than a break, you can do a tiered classification system ala boxing and MMA. Have different weight classes that people aren't allowed to go below unless they start losing significantly in their current weight class. Instead of physical weight, it is based on wins/losses. And of course, lower classes can take a shot at higher levels if they'd like to. Then you can even compete to have championships at each level so the pros stop whining when an amateur luckboxes their way to a bracelet.
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10-07-2016 , 03:40 PM
Yeah that works too. I'm pretty sure that rec players would like something along those lines.
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10-07-2016 , 04:40 PM
comparing sports with poker makes no sense since source of money is different. in sports it's all about sponsors, spectators. no rake, no buy-ins.
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10-08-2016 , 03:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chasern1
The guy is an enthusiastic Clinton suppoter, what do you guys expect of people like him?
Is he? I don't follow celebrities, poker or otherwise, so I don't really know anything about his political views other than what was in this video..

And he definitely didn't enthusiastically support Hillary in this. He basically just said that she won't **** up the country. Unlike Trump, who quite possibly will **** up the country, because A) He's not a politician (and to all the idiots who think that is a good thing; it's not and B) He's a ****ing lunatic

Anyway - I'm probably labled now as an "enthusiastic" Clinton support (I'm not even American.)


Also - DNs views on a PS rake-hike were utter BS and he should be ashamed for having those thoughts, let alone speaking those words.
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10-08-2016 , 05:45 AM
Clinton needs to convince people she is a better choice, or equal to Sanders. At this point she has only been campaigning about why Donald Trump is bad. I get why she is doing it, but it is a fear base tactic used by people not worthy of the position. Donald Trump is a lunatic, and Hilary Clinton is corrupt. The lesser of two evils vote is such bull****. Run a potted plant against Trump and vote for it. Both are dishonest creeps to me. I would vote 3rd party if I was American. I never in my life vote for who I don't want, I vote for who I want.
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10-08-2016 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by human
And he definitely didn't enthusiastically support Hillary in this. He basically just said that she won't **** up the country. Unlike Trump, who quite possibly will **** up the country, because A) He's not a politician (and to all the idiots who think that is a good thing; it's not and B) He's a ****ing lunatic...
A) Not being a "professional politician" is a good thing. The "professional politician" that Hillary said she most admires is Merkel, a disaster on any level beyond satisfying cronies and donors that control her. I would argue that you and others are the "idiots" for thinking otherwise.
B) He's not a lunatic as 40 years in the public eye and structuring deals around the world would indicate (as well as recent meetings with the Presidents of Mexico and Israel). No one suddenly changes how they do business at 70 (which should scare you about Hillary in light of her pro-war with Russia comments). The only change is how he has been cast (from a showman, business success Alpha male with a decade long hit show on NBC to a "lunatic") by the corporate and biased Main Stream Media.

Of course DNEGS is a committed kool-aid Clinton drinker. His ability to rationalize decisions that hurt players since he became open about it just proves that they share the same mindset when it comes to those "beneath them" as they both appear to be, in her words from a leaked Goldman Sachs' speech, "kind of far removed” from the struggles of the Middle Class."

Last edited by restorativejustice; 10-08-2016 at 07:32 AM.
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10-08-2016 , 08:45 AM
Negreanu is probably still upset of not being invited to be a part of the Full Tilt Team. Pretty much everyone except him and Hellmuth.
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10-08-2016 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Mindfulness
This group of players represents the minority. I have said this before and it's hard for many of you to swallow that the group of players here is not a good representation of poker globally. Higher rake is not good for pros. It is good for the company charging the rake and a potential byproduct of that is also a more enjoyable losing experience for the vast majority of players who would be in better games.
Speaking as someone who is no where near being a pro, and probably typical of a large portion of the online community.

I resent the implication that not being a pro means that I am stupid. I would indeed have to be a moron to somehow twist me paying higher rake is going to benefit me.

What absolute rubbish!
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10-08-2016 , 09:35 AM
4 tables max, all anonymous. That would reduce the impact of the grinders on the rec's. I get the logic about the rake increase it just smells like horse ****.

And seriously who does an interview lying in bed? C'mon man!
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10-08-2016 , 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Cashcid Linc
I have negs tagged as a fish. On that note I can understand a little bit better why he wants to make the environment nicer for the recreationals. I still dont believe in that logic though.
A fish is being generous. TAG him as a huge Whale
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10-08-2016 , 12:19 PM
If higher rake is good for the games, why don't they just quadruple the rake this very instant? Sure, a small increase might be tough to notice but if you quadruple it then obviously people are going to notice the impact and say "hey, these games just got sooooo much better".
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10-08-2016 , 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by jonchillmatic
4 tables max, all anonymous. That would reduce the impact of the grinders on the rec's. I get the logic about the rake increase it just smells like horse ****.

And seriously who does an interview lying in bed? C'mon man!
This is a good idea that works but would cost poker stars alot of rake. I'm sure the community can think of alot of good ideas to help make the games more rec friendly and more enjoyable longterm for everybody while still being a game of skill.

Why do any of those ideas when you could just make the entire game of poker unbeatable for everybody making poker stars maximum rake? The only reason not to is the long term growth of your business. Clearly the growth of the business is over so now its time to start going for max profit from the consumer. Hence the face of poker telling everybody new players should go play roulette because skilled players r to good nowadays. Trying to justify the next huge incoming rake hike by getting stuff like that out.
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10-08-2016 , 03:22 PM
GG network has a rake close to live poker and still has many multitabling regs because of rakeback and tracking software. It works in live games and it seems to work even online with those decreases and the asian boom. The regs keep the games going and the asian fish play vs other fish also. Booms never last, so it takes a couple of years to see it wont work with tracking software or multitabling allowed, though the plo rake is lower.
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10-08-2016 , 03:28 PM
Higher taxes must also be good for Society and those in it because just think how much more will get done when people have to work that much harder and longer and be that much more resourceful just to keep enough money from the clutches of the Government to survive. It is a model working great in Venezuela right now -- those people have never been this resourceful before.

Pfft, you grinders are so selfish and short-sighted not to see that an increase in rake is going to make you become better players out of necessity (or go broke or starve trying).

Stop being ungrateful and just say "thank you PStars and DNEGS" and maybe Daniel will send you a souvenir hair follicle as part of your next Deposit Bonus.

Last edited by restorativejustice; 10-08-2016 at 03:39 PM.
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