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08-11-2011 , 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by some mod in HSNL
DO NOT POST ITT IF YOU ARENT A REG OR IF YOU DONT HAVE FACTUAL CONTENT TO ADD. SINCE MOST NVGERS CANT UNDERSTAND ENGLISH I WILL REMIND YOU THAT YOUR OPINION IS NOT A FACT IT IS AN OPINION.
Dude doesn't realize that nvg did all the work and he posted in a thread crossposted from nvg.

And that's a fact.
08-11-2011 , 12:18 PM
After catching up with this and the HS thread (and discussing this entire fiasco with another person), some random thoughts:

1) The potential gain from winning the Lock challenge (including a two year Team Lock contract and an ME package) were substantial enough that it highly implausible that the chip dump wasn't for the express purpose of winning the challenge. Multiple people have confirmed in the HS thread that DIH claiming that site transfer wasn't an option is false (while 10K was the transfer limit, there was no limit on how many times you could do this, and another Lock pro said he was able to transfer above the limit and across skins) - logic therefore dictates that the only reason to select the chip dump as a method of transferring the funds was to win the challenge.

And clearly both Girah (as the account holder and recipient of the benefits) and DIH (as his agent and backer) had incentive to win the challenge. The idea that DIH didn't know about the challenge, yet still selected this method of money transfer despite legitimate methods available to him, seals the deal.

2) Given the amount of lies DIH has been caught in, literally everything he says has to be suspect. This is not to state that some of what he has said isn't true - some of it probably is - but without independent confirmation of a "fact" from DIH, in any of his statements, interviews, or blog posts must be considered potentially false.

3) The whole "DIH/JM are too smart too...." or "DIH/JM have no reason too..." arguments are invalid, at this point. These have been incredibly sophomoric, "dumb" scams, if you will. As I'm sure everyone knows, sometimes really smart people do really dumb things, and otherwise rational people do inexplicable things without reason. We may have to accept that we'll never know the reason for some of all of this, rational or otherwise, but it goes without saying at this point that some HS people we thought were "too smart" to do such stupid things is, in fact, a fallacy. And smart at poker doesn't mean smart at life.

4) Lock Poker has some 'splaining to do. It is inconceivable that their post contest audit missed a 100K chip dump, yet they allowed a statement that, despite the DQ, Girah had won enough "legitimately" to take down the contest, which is 100% false.

5) NVG rules.
08-11-2011 , 12:19 PM
imo, it's impossible for DIH to be involved in skype superusing, because he's much smarter than girah and he wouldn't ever allow girah to superuse couple HS player from same group vs same fish, because they would sooner of later find out.

i actually don't understand how girah was so dumb to do superusing. he could've easilly made something like $250k+ a year by just coaching, making videos, playing some poker. yet he somehow managed to f..k up everything for $30k.
08-11-2011 , 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by lenasrokas
imo, it's impossible for DIH to be involved in skype superusing, because he's much smarter than girah and he wouldn't ever allow girah to superuse couple HS player from same group vs same fish, because they would sooner of later find out.

i actually don't understand how girah was so dumb to do superusing. he could've easilly made something like $250k+ a year by just coaching, making videos, playing some poker. yet he somehow managed to f..k up everything for $30k.
It was more than $30k, $45K at least, possibly more, and this was done in the course of a few days. If you could keep this scam going (impossible probably, but logic clearly wasn't factored in here) that's a lot of money.
08-11-2011 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lenasrokas
i actually don't understand how girah was so dumb to do superusing. he could've easilly made something like $250k+ a year by just coaching, making videos, playing some poker. yet he somehow managed to f..k up everything for $30k.
didn't it turn out that many of his students were actually better than him at poker? I thought many of them noticed that girah wasn't as good as he claimed to be and that he made some bad mistakes? and that his coaching sucked? if so, maybe he realised he wouldn't be able to keep up the coaching scam much longer?
08-11-2011 , 12:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by lenasrokas
imo, it's impossible for DIH to be involved in skype superusing, because he's much smarter than girah and he wouldn't ever allow girah to superuse couple HS player from same group vs same fish, because they would sooner of later find out.

i actually don't understand how girah was so dumb to do superusing. he could've easilly made something like $250k+ a year by just coaching, making videos, playing some poker. yet he somehow managed to f..k up everything for $30k.
We are past the skype thing. The skype thing just blew this whole thing up. The big question is what else DIH and anyone else has done to make Girah seem like he was a poker prodigy, and what they expected to gain from it.
08-11-2011 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tpt99
Why is 2p2 involved in the coverup?

Why did 2p2 delete posts with good information implicating DIH/JM/Jose?

Why did 2p2 not divulge about all the sockpuppet accounts regarding this affair when they had all the IPs?
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08-11-2011 , 12:36 PM
yes, it happened that he asked advice to a student while he was charging him 700$/hour.
08-11-2011 , 12:39 PM
At least we can confirm that Haseeb really is currently in London. Here he is, nice summer tan, hanging out with some friends: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QP-CC0gsSU4
08-11-2011 , 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by atthebottom77
i had a couple innocuous posts deleted too regarding ips/transparency and the like
Ironically it was DIH's thread about him being hacked from Sweden that restricted mod's access to IP addresses. Mat Sklansky made a couple of posts about it and it was a popular decision.

I can't find the thread any more, anyone wanna help me out? It was called 'dog is hacked'
08-11-2011 , 12:57 PM
Its pretty amusing pre-scandal...JGM vouching for Jose to the nth degree...post scandal...who is jose, barely knew him...I didnt know about any of this etc. obvious obvious lies.
08-11-2011 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Dunpeal1
Nearly wet myself laughing
This and I did wet myself.
Staring intently at my computer screen with the pitter pattar of the near by wild life and small children playing games of long gone youth, I did smell the faint but unmistaken smell of times gone by. Only then did I realize I had wet myself from the joy of laughter and the aroma was that of urine and the memories of youth were no more than flash backs of bed wetting as an adolescence. The memories of youth will live forever and the visions of a time sicne long pass will linger until the next funny post.
08-11-2011 , 01:04 PM
all the threads and blogs confuse me. can we get some short update cliffs anyone? is "x" revealed?

do we know for a fact that girah never crushed high stakes? all just made up and fake graphs?

so when girah said in interviews he want to play the durrr challenge/isildur challenge the plan was to put in jungleman or what? if it was all made up theres no chance he had plans to play the durr challenge himself.
08-11-2011 , 01:06 PM
Can someone update cliffs?
08-11-2011 , 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by 3x Range Merger
Can someone update cliffs?
If NoahSD so desires, I'm willing to do a new cliffs thread later today, but he's getting ready for the JM interview right now.

Short cliffs from yesterday:

- JM and DIH both release Bluff interviews. JM is lolworthy, says basically nothing. DIH interview is a comedy masterpiece of constant lying and backtracking and basically doing everything possible to admit to only what he has to admit to while denying everything else

- DIH interview also confirms that he chipdumped to Girah, but denies it was for the purpose of winning the contest, instead stating that it was to fund Girah for a stake. $100K to stake a guy at 5/10. When said guy is a Lock pro and they could have done a person to person transfer.

- DIH blog basically continues to deny everything we can't really prove, and that he is tired and so very sad and is going to quit poker and roam around Eruope. Cue music, as hero sheds a solitary tear.

- JM agrees to do interview with NoahSD today at 1400 EST.
08-11-2011 , 01:18 PM
If you're going to update, perhaps you should just close this circle .... and start a new thread.
08-11-2011 , 01:18 PM
just do the new cliffs after the jm interview imo.
08-11-2011 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by caseycjc
If you're going to update, perhaps you should just close this circle .... and start a new thread.
We iz get good at starting new threads.

But again, he's preparing for the interview. This thread getting locked and new cliffs will probably happen sometime this evening if it does happen. Can't lock this without a mod, ldo.
08-11-2011 , 01:20 PM
To clarify, JM in SGT RJ's cliffs = Jungleman, not Jose Macedo.
08-11-2011 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by brrrap!
He's either lying or the most naive person on earth ainec.
I'd put my money on the latter. He is also the only person on earth that thinks Jose really had a "friend" he was helping.
08-11-2011 , 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
DIH blog basically continues to deny everything we can't really prove, and that he is tired of lying and so very sad because no one believe him and is going to quit poker and scum people around Eruope. Cue music, as hero sheds a solitary tear.
Is there a poll who is bigger sociopath: DIH or Girah?
08-11-2011 , 01:28 PM
grunching sorry but is it a videocall interview/skype call/email/skype text convo?

if email interview it is ****ed from the get go imo
08-11-2011 , 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by SGT RJ
After catching up with this and the HS thread (and discussing this entire fiasco with another person), some random thoughts:

1) The potential gain from winning the Lock challenge (including a two year Team Lock contract and an ME package) were substantial enough that it highly implausible that the chip dump wasn't for the express purpose of winning the challenge. Multiple people have confirmed in the HS thread that DIH claiming that site transfer wasn't an option is false (while 10K was the transfer limit, there was no limit on how many times you could do this, and another Lock pro said he was able to transfer above the limit and across skins) - logic therefore dictates that the only reason to select the chip dump as a method of transferring the funds was to win the challenge.

And clearly both Girah (as the account holder and recipient of the benefits) and DIH (as his agent and backer) had incentive to win the challenge. The idea that DIH didn't know about the challenge, yet still selected this method of money transfer despite legitimate methods available to him, seals the deal.

2) Given the amount of lies DIH has been caught in, literally everything he says has to be suspect. This is not to state that some of what he has said isn't true - some of it probably is - but without independent confirmation of a "fact" from DIH, in any of his statements, interviews, or blog posts must be considered potentially false.

3) The whole "DIH/JM are too smart too...." or "DIH/JM have no reason too..." arguments are invalid, at this point. These have been incredibly sophomoric, "dumb" scams, if you will. As I'm sure everyone knows, sometimes really smart people do really dumb things, and otherwise rational people do inexplicable things without reason. We may have to accept that we'll never know the reason for some of all of this, rational or otherwise, but it goes without saying at this point that some HS people we thought were "too smart" to do such stupid things is, in fact, a fallacy. And smart at poker doesn't mean smart at life.

4) Lock Poker has some 'splaining to do. It is inconceivable that their post contest audit missed a 100K chip dump, yet they allowed a statement that, despite the DQ, Girah had won enough "legitimately" to take down the contest, which is 100% false.

5) NVG rules.
+ 1000

And... to be honest, I also want to know why 2+2 did not tell us that "lookingforpokerprodigy" and "girah" had the same IP address when there was so much doubt around the kid a few months ago..
08-11-2011 , 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by lenasrokas
imo, it's impossible for DIH to be involved in skype superusing, because he's much smarter than girah and he wouldn't ever allow girah to superuse couple HS player from same group vs same fish, because they would sooner of later find out.

i actually don't understand how girah was so dumb to do superusing. he could've easilly made something like $250k+ a year by just coaching, making videos, playing some poker. yet he somehow managed to f..k up everything for $30k.
A guy I went to HS with was the #1 ranked high school quarterback and went to a big football college, Oklahoma University. He probably would have made untold millions as a high draft pick in the NFL, but he got busted in a scheme that paid him 40k a year for a job he didn't do, and it pretty much ruined him. Dumb kids do dumb things.
08-11-2011 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Flartels
+ 1000

And... to be honest, I also want to know why 2+2 did not tell us that "lookingforpokerprodigy" and "girah" had the same IP address when there was so much doubt around the kid a few months ago..
what they did instead was send a pm adverting the ones who sucpected things like that. gregorio sent me a few, i was trolling he said.

      
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