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Rangey & others put up with tons of abuse from the start. SGT just came on to the scene after it had broken and regurgitated stuff already said which while is helpful to the lazy doesn't do much.

This is very true. I had limited interest in the original Girah thread, and was not active in NVG prior to BF - most of my posts before then are all in the strat forums.

I'm glad people found the cliffs helpful but I deserve zero credit for digging anything up. I just found it useful to write the cliffs to consolidate the story for my own understanding so I volunteered to do so.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Raker

99% of the people claiming to be girls on 2+2 are men also imo

True. But there's a well thread from me in MTTc with a pic - if I was a guy faking being a girl, I'd probably pick a hotter woman than myself to pass off as myself. :P

Last edited by SGT RJ; 08-09-2011 at 08:45 PM. Reason: If anyone should be modded, it's Rangey, but don't expect cliffs.

08-09-2011 , 08:41 PM

#102

metsjetsrangers

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Minotawrrr

As stated before DIH/JM/Various HS pro's create Girah to get action. They find a suitable candidate and begin creating the myth, scuplting his persona, falsifying results etc.

They begin to put the whole plan into action making the 2+2 posts, building the hype. Girah posts for the first time claiming to be the Portuguese Poker Prodigy, however immediately there is a lot of suspiscion for various reasons already stated in this thread. The idea that he is a creation by the HS pro's was suggested very early on.

Girah explodes getting insane amounts of attention and also being watched very carefully, the HS pro's behind Girah begin to get uneasy and start to think that they won't be able to pull this off and it might be a bad idea. Girah is playing lowish stakes on Lock poker and losing, appearing to the poker world to not be as good as he was built up to be. This is frustrating Girah, it's not what he signed up for, he is looking like a fool, so they start playing for him during the Lock poker contest, he is found immediately after to be cheating and DQ'd from the content.

This is something that has been on my mind the past 2 days. There are multiple theories regarding Girah being a creation of HSpros. At what point then does Girah going from a creation to being Jose? Why/How was Jose chosen? How do DiH/JM know Jose? (I guess this goes back to the question of was Jose in Vegas or did DiH just post on Girah's 2+2 acct from Vegas).

Jungleman said that Girah was an up and coming pro to watch out for...if Girah was Jose from the beginning, why choose Girah who had awful stats? If Girah was a creation that needed a face, why choose Jose?

08-09-2011 , 08:44 PM

#103

Charmer

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08-09-2011 , 08:45 PM

#104

Deelah

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So he won $2,000,000 but needed to be staked. Playing midstakes. Cheating friends for $30,000.

Seriously: how much did he lose?

08-09-2011 , 08:46 PM

#105

Zomboid!

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Charmer

Is that what Tony G means when he says "on your bike"? He's telling the player they need coaching from Haseeb?

08-09-2011 , 08:46 PM

#106

Anden

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edited since apparently you seem nice, apologies. got too much of a conscience to be a dick to people who don't really deserve it, who am I girah v2.

08-09-2011 , 08:47 PM

#107

Bad_News_Brown

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Wow, pokers first Poker Idol, so DIH is Simon Cowell and JM is Paula Abdul. Jose is one disobediant Fantasia!

08-09-2011 , 08:48 PM

#108

FideICa$hflo

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Interesting OP. I wonder if I'm the only lurker to never have read anything about girah.

08-09-2011 , 08:49 PM

#109

SGT RJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Anden

LOL. I take back all of my previous comments since apparently you're a girl, LOL. Funny looking back knowing I was commenting on the opinion of a woman, LOL. No offence, I just wouldn't have bothered otherwise.

peace bro, be safe

If you ban me that would be totally acceptable I guess, I can't help making sexist comments and just, I don't know, looking down on women in general.

08-09-2011 , 08:50 PM

#110

BlitzPlayer

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cant wait for "x" to be someone ****ing epic and blow the minds of 2plus2

08-09-2011 , 08:51 PM

#111

dalopper

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DRybes

cracking me up so hard

08-09-2011 , 08:52 PM

#112

SGT RJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BlitzPlayer

cant wait for "x" to be someone ****ing epic and blow the minds of 2plus2

Agreed. Getting a little antsy waiting for "x" to be revealed and will be seriously pissed if this doesn't happen tonight.

08-09-2011 , 08:53 PM

#113

unrealzeal

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Quote:

1) Girah is a sociopathic scam artist who conned unknown number of MS/HS regs into believing he was the next poker God. As such, his scam is believable no matter his results because lol sociopath.

this is what i was thinking: either Girah is an evil supergenius who happens to be great at poker, a one in a billion freak of nature...or...

08-09-2011 , 08:53 PM

#114

Jaydee9

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What about a coaching scam theory?

DIH might have created and hyped up girah in order to get a massive amount of students because he didn't get that much coaching request.
DIH will help josé coach the students and they will share the profit. I've read somewhere that José had 80students at a rate of $900/hour...

08-09-2011 , 08:55 PM

#115

Minotawrrr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MyriadChoices

I don't think it's fair to implicate any other HS players besides JM and DiH. All the other ones who have been in any way related to Girah have demonstrated that they were only tangentially involved in the whole affair simply by talking to him (Sauce being the main person and he's a shining example of integrity, honesty, and forthrightness despite people attacking him).

Also, I dont know that I believe the whole thing was built up by JM and DiH as in that Girah is a fabrication as in that he's a fake person. And I don't know that I'd say that the IRL Girah 'went rogue'.

I wasn't implicating anyone else, I said creation of HS pro's because that is how it is described in the OP and it's possible there are other people involved, but I haven't implicated anyone specific other than continue to discuss a theory that already exists.

And again I'm not saying I believe this is what happened and JM and DIH / HS pro's created Jose, I was just discussing a theory that already exists and exploring how it could get to the point of "Jose is a puppet for HS pro's to play on his accounts while pretending to be him" to Jose cheating people the way he did.

I really have no idea what the entire story is. Just discussing possibilities.

08-09-2011 , 08:56 PM

#116

Max Raker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

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True. But there's a well thread from me in MTTc with a pic - if I was a guy faking being a girl, I'd probably pick a hotter woman than myself to pass off as myself. :P

, just a joke on my end.

Thanks for the well written OP.

08-09-2011 , 08:57 PM

#117

Max Raker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaydee9

Jungleman or GIH couldn't have made as much from coaching?

08-09-2011 , 08:58 PM

#118

MikkeD

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PromethEV+s

I think SGT RJ should be made a mod, and that he should make a sticky with all of the relevant links, cliffs, etc., w/ bolded sections and sub-sections, as others have mentioned. One thread in NVG should remain open for developments and discussion of the facts contained in sticky. Imo.

For sure.

08-09-2011 , 08:58 PM

#119

Max Raker

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SGT RJ

Agreed. Getting a little antsy waiting for "x" to be revealed and will be seriously pissed if this doesn't happen tonight.

It is very likely something that is already "known". (Lock contest was a chip dump)

08-09-2011 , 08:59 PM

#120

Jaydee9

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Raker

Jungleman or GIH couldn't have made as much from coaching?

Jungle yes but DIH not sure...

08-09-2011 , 09:01 PM

#121

SGT RJ

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Max Raker

It is very likely something that is already "known". (Lock contest was a chip dump)

I think so too, but at this point, every time something new has come out (or been confirmed), the resulting questions and examination by the mob seems to shake additional stuff loose. So the aftermath is just as much fun as the revelation of "x", IMO.

Plus, I'm just 100% convinced DIH is a lying POS right now and his melodramatic defense of the various lies he's been caught in crack me up.

08-09-2011 , 09:02 PM

#122

theDEADLYscorpion

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wow this is great, ty to all the detectives and cliffs-gatherers. Excited to hear what x is!

08-09-2011 , 09:02 PM

#123

Minotawrrr

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Quote:

Originally Posted by metsjetsrangers

I think Jose could be chosen because he speaks very good english also being young and just turning 18 is not only good for image but allows them to hide previous results by saying a lawyer has strongly advised to not make his previous screen names public.

Jose comes across as pretty sharp in his interviews too, a smart guy with good understanding of poker, maybe he was a SS-MS kid looking for coaching from JM/DIH/whoever and they were looking for a viable candidate.

Again I'm not saying this is what I think, but I do think if this is what happened Jose would be a very good choice.

Again, he speaks good english, he is young just turned 18 (if this is true), pretty good image, seems a pretty sharp guy.